Saranid Cav really powerful, isn't it?

[Helmut_AUT]

To be honest, I think it's fair. You have a dismounted knight, he's usually worth 2-3 highly trained foot soldiers. If you have a knight but apply that mount to him and give him an incredible speed bonus plus height advantage, he's easily worth 5-6 men. Knights were the tanks of the Middle Ages, they are worth more than one man alone because they simply have higher level of education and training.

I mean, if a Knight could only take out 2-3 men on mount, why bother wasting years of training to die easily like that?

Go ahead and flame/correct me here if I am wrong.

Nah, your calculation actually makes sense. The problem for me is only that knowing this kind of ratios needed, it does devalue the other two soldier types (and makes tactics pretty unimportant).

I mean, in M&B if you had a hill to put your archers on, infantry to protect them, and maybe a small number of riders to distract the enemy Cav, you could generally turn the battle with good tactics and thinking. In WB, it seems if your Cav can not kill their Cav (or you have none to start with) the foot soldiers are mere decoration, they have no tactical value against enemy riders at all.

Maybe the prices for maintaining knights in the troops need to be raised (more food, higher wages). I'd like to see a 5:1 ratio of footmen to knights so a 120 men army would only have 20 knights. Seems more realistic to me than what we get now.

Again, I don't mind Cavalry being powerful, but it seems that with the balance it has right now, you're stupid to use any other units.

 

[xelzun]

That's a good way to balance the issue, as well as allowing spearmen to actually BRACE their spears instead of just sitting there and looking pretty. Spearmen were the counter to heavily armed cavalry and they usually carried a spear just for bracing so that when that breaks off they could switch to either a shorter secondary spear or a sword if they had one. They weren't behemoths or armored to the teeth, they just had cruddy armor and good weapons to use. Pikemen and Spearmen are both effective to countering cavalry and if you really want this to be fixed, take the rhodoks and improve their spearmen, possibly adding a top tier unit like an Elite Pikeman to counter Swadian cavalry. It's to my knowledge that Swadia and Rhodok are enemies, so why does Rhodok have no counter to it's enemies greatest unit?

 

[Hegen]

I wonder if 500 archers vs 40 calv.....

My computer would probably die with so much troops)

 

[Aeon221]

Nah, your calculation actually makes sense. The problem for me is only that knowing this kind of ratios needed, it does devalue the other two soldier types (and makes tactics pretty unimportant).

I mean, in M&B if you had a hill to put your archers on, infantry to protect them, and maybe a small number of riders to distract the enemy Cav, you could generally turn the battle with good tactics and thinking. In WB, it seems if your Cav can not kill their Cav (or you have none to start with) the foot soldiers are mere decoration, they have no tactical value against enemy riders at all.

Maybe the prices for maintaining knights in the troops need to be raised (more food, higher wages). I'd like to see a 5:1 ratio of footmen to knights so a 120 men army would only have 20 knights. Seems more realistic to me than what we get now.

Again, I don't mind Cavalry being powerful, but it seems that with the balance it has right now, you're stupid to use any other units.

It'd be nice if you could adjust food upkeep for individual troop types, but that's not possible afaik. And when you go with more frequent feeds for all troops, you end up kicking the (necessarily) larger infantry armies in the balls, while the smaller and faster all-cav armies get off scot free.

For my personal entertainment, I've decreased the armor soak for piercing damage, which should buff arrows and spears hugely against armored targets, and thus make them a viable choice for wasting the big ol jerks. In Native WB, blunt is by far superior to everything else for killing armored troops -- and only armored units, generally mounted ones, reliably carry blunt weapons.

I am considering increasing the upkeep, but I found that it was costing me about 2k a week to maintain an all Mameluke party of fifty units in the field, and that's already a fairly significant outlay. I might personally lower the upkeep on tier five infantry, however, as you really need a lot of them to counter enemy cav.

 

[EmirSuhaym]

That's a good way to balance the issue, as well as allowing spearmen to actually BRACE their spears instead of just sitting there and looking pretty.

I strongly support this idea.

With a line of Rhodok spearmen firmly entrenched into the ground, it'd be really hard to send extremely strong cavalry after them. I'm thinking the Rhodok's should get a Roman empire makeover kinda thing. Early Roman empire, that is. Back when cavalry wasn't as prevalent.

Maybe replace their crossbows with velite-esque throwing spears, and let another faction have strong crossbow units.

 

[xelzun]

This should be considered as it is a good way to fix that current issue.

 

[Captiva]

I vote Yay for proposition..... On easy, I launched a 300 man attack(all rodock infantry) against 50 malamukes, and about 30 odd infantry, the malamukes slaughtered all of us I single handedly took out 15 malamukes, but when reinforcements came, they launced a full wave of em and slaughtered everything. I reloaded and retried the battle 5 or so times, everytime I got slaughtered, I would be the last one standing, err riding, red from head to toe, and 30 malamukes chasing me around. needless to say, my only option is to go get me some of em, this is one situation where I think fighting fire with fire is the only option.

 

[EmirSuhaym]

The weird thing about the campaign is the Rhodoks frequently go to war with the Sarranids, but never seem to lose any land. I attribute it to the weird way the Rhodok land is - it's very mountainous, and really hard to get a good hit from a horse. A bunch of Rhodok Sharpshooters will stand on top of a hill and rain hot bolts of bolts at my Mamlukes and I can't do anything about it.