[S] Warring States II - Released 15 Oct 2010
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Demiwar
Veteran
Here's an idea for the Bandit/Outlaw Faction. I would suggest the focus should be on blunt weapons and therefore kidnapping/ransoming.
Troop Tree
Troop Description
Troop Tree
Bandit
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Mugger Highwayman
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Thug Thief
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Hunter
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Brigand
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Ranger
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Mugger Highwayman
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Thug Thief
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Hunter
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Brigand
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Ranger
Troop Description
Thugs - Common riffraff armed with clubs and throwing knives.
Mugger - More experienced at close combat. Prefer to use blunt weapons to knock their victim out and loot their belongings. Muggers upgrade their club and toss the throwing knives as they fear the repercussions of murder.
Thief - The thief is an agile and lightly armored outlaw who excels in the use of a one handed weapon. They have out grown their fear of murder and are willing to pick up more lethal weapons then clubs, including their old throwing knives.
Bandit - Bandits tend to arm themselves more heavily then most outlaws. They prefer to use two-handed weapons, mostly blunt for the purpose of taking prisoners for ransom, but don't mind getting extra bloody sometimes.
Highwaymen - These elite outlaws have perfected the use of two-handed clubs to incapacitate their targets. They wear the heaviest armors of all the Outlaws, some even wearing plate when times are really good.
Hunter - Hunters are beginning to see the usefulness of ranged weapons. They use inexpensive bows and arrows at range, throwing knives when the enemy/victim closes in, and their old sword at melee range.
Brigand - Much better with a bow than a hunter, Brigand have used their profits to upgrade their bow and throwing knives but have yet to increase their melee abilities, relying on their ranged attacks to significantly weaken their victims. Brigands wear light leather armors.
Ranger - A master with a bow, the ranger has also taken the time to hone his melee skills, using the best bow and arrow he can get and the finest sword. Rangers wear light leather armor.
Mugger - More experienced at close combat. Prefer to use blunt weapons to knock their victim out and loot their belongings. Muggers upgrade their club and toss the throwing knives as they fear the repercussions of murder.
Thief - The thief is an agile and lightly armored outlaw who excels in the use of a one handed weapon. They have out grown their fear of murder and are willing to pick up more lethal weapons then clubs, including their old throwing knives.
Bandit - Bandits tend to arm themselves more heavily then most outlaws. They prefer to use two-handed weapons, mostly blunt for the purpose of taking prisoners for ransom, but don't mind getting extra bloody sometimes.
Highwaymen - These elite outlaws have perfected the use of two-handed clubs to incapacitate their targets. They wear the heaviest armors of all the Outlaws, some even wearing plate when times are really good.
Hunter - Hunters are beginning to see the usefulness of ranged weapons. They use inexpensive bows and arrows at range, throwing knives when the enemy/victim closes in, and their old sword at melee range.
Brigand - Much better with a bow than a hunter, Brigand have used their profits to upgrade their bow and throwing knives but have yet to increase their melee abilities, relying on their ranged attacks to significantly weaken their victims. Brigands wear light leather armors.
Ranger - A master with a bow, the ranger has also taken the time to hone his melee skills, using the best bow and arrow he can get and the finest sword. Rangers wear light leather armor.
Benkasim
Veteran
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Kingdom -Hviterike (Snowdeep Castle + Fisdnar)
Is this location ok for you, polydamas?
polydamas 说:
polydamas
Sergeant
Kingdom:Arrion
King: King Wilhelm
Location:North-eastern Swadia or maybe by Gisim
Faction Description
Lords and Ladies
Troop Tree
Troop Description
King: King Wilhelm
Location:North-eastern Swadia or maybe by Gisim
Faction Description
The Kingdom of Arrion is a rebel kingdom of Swadia (could be of the Vaegirs instead to help balance kingdoms). They rely on their excellent archery and quickly striking, lightly armed infantry. The cavalry is used to raid enemy armies and to take out the remaining troops in a rout.
Lords and Ladies
Lords
Lehnsherr Ignatius
Lehnsherr Thorsten
Lehnsherr Johannes
Lehnsherr Lukas
Lehnsherr Falk
Lehnsherr Baldur
Lehnsherr Leon
Lehnsherr Gebhard
Lehnsherr Dierk
Lehnsherr Artur
Lehnsherr Fynn
Lehnsherr Egon
Ladies
Dame Laura
Dame Claudia
Dame Leonie
Dame Annika
Dame Hanna
Dame Charlotte
Dame Edith
Dame Frauke
Dame Diana
Dame Hannelore
Dame Gisela (make this one a red head if you can
)
Dame Katinka
Dame Seraphina
Lehnsherr Ignatius
Lehnsherr Thorsten
Lehnsherr Johannes
Lehnsherr Lukas
Lehnsherr Falk
Lehnsherr Baldur
Lehnsherr Leon
Lehnsherr Gebhard
Lehnsherr Dierk
Lehnsherr Artur
Lehnsherr Fynn
Lehnsherr Egon
Ladies
Dame Laura
Dame Claudia
Dame Leonie
Dame Annika
Dame Hanna
Dame Charlotte
Dame Edith
Dame Frauke
Dame Diana
Dame Hannelore
Dame Gisela (make this one a red head if you can
)Dame Katinka
Dame Seraphina
Troop Tree
Arrion Sworn Knights
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Arrion Soldier-Arrion Veteran-Arrion Sergeant
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Arrion Freeman Arrion Ranger-Arrion Knight
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Arrion Skirmisher - Arrion Archer-Arrion Master Archer
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Arrion Pikeman
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Arrion Soldier-Arrion Veteran-Arrion Sergeant
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Arrion Freeman Arrion Ranger-Arrion Knight
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Arrion Skirmisher - Arrion Archer-Arrion Master Archer
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Arrion Pikeman
Freeman-A new untrained soldier. More like armed rabble than army. Armed with any weapon at hand these man go off to war with their lord. They are weak and ill-equipped.
Soldier-Better equipped and more experienced than the Freeman. Arrion Soldiers carry either an axe or a sword. Some carry throwing weapons but not many. Have medium armor and are better suited for quick skirmishes than a long battle (quick but not strong).
Veteran-Stronger and better equipped than the soldier. Arrion Veterans can hold their own on the battlefield.
Sworn-Knights-Pledged to fight till the death, the sworn knights are a fearsome foe to face. As a unit they fight to the very last man and make their enemies pay for every inch of land. These men can take a lot of pain and still kill their enemy. Heavily armored but slow.
Sergeants-Sergeants help lead the men on the battlefield. They are a match for any soldier and are very good with a blade. Have decent armor but can still move quickly.
Ranger-Rangers are mounted units that harass the enemy lines. They aren't equipped greatly but they are still effective.
Knights- Experienced mounted units who are veterans of war. The are well equipped, expensive, and strong.
Skirmisher- Weak, ill-equipped. Use ranged weapons.
Archer- Carry either a bow or a crossbow. Very effective, lightly armored, and quick.
Master Archer- Carry a bow. The best archers in Caldria. Can take down a horseman from 200 yards away against the wind and in the rain.
Pikeman- Carry a pike... obviously.
Soldier-Better equipped and more experienced than the Freeman. Arrion Soldiers carry either an axe or a sword. Some carry throwing weapons but not many. Have medium armor and are better suited for quick skirmishes than a long battle (quick but not strong).
Veteran-Stronger and better equipped than the soldier. Arrion Veterans can hold their own on the battlefield.
Sworn-Knights-Pledged to fight till the death, the sworn knights are a fearsome foe to face. As a unit they fight to the very last man and make their enemies pay for every inch of land. These men can take a lot of pain and still kill their enemy. Heavily armored but slow.
Sergeants-Sergeants help lead the men on the battlefield. They are a match for any soldier and are very good with a blade. Have decent armor but can still move quickly.
Ranger-Rangers are mounted units that harass the enemy lines. They aren't equipped greatly but they are still effective.
Knights- Experienced mounted units who are veterans of war. The are well equipped, expensive, and strong.
Skirmisher- Weak, ill-equipped. Use ranged weapons.
Archer- Carry either a bow or a crossbow. Very effective, lightly armored, and quick.
Master Archer- Carry a bow. The best archers in Caldria. Can take down a horseman from 200 yards away against the wind and in the rain.
Pikeman- Carry a pike... obviously.
polydamas
Sergeant
Benkasim 说:
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Kingdom -Hviterike (Snowdeep Castle + Fisdnar)
Is this location ok for you, polydamas?
Yeah that perfect. I was thinking their would be another village or maybe a town, but that's up to you, so I'll be happy with whatever.
VianeyLover
Sergeant at Arms
Will this new little kingdoms have some new companions
???
Maybe one or two
Also, the mercenary troop tree will be expanded as well ?
???
Maybe one or two
Also, the mercenary troop tree will be expanded as well ?
Hviterike makes absolutely no sense. The tone set for this nation is clearly a Norwegian setting, but the names makes no sense. I'll go through the post section by section and explain why and how to improve it
Hviterike should be Kviterike, because medieval Norwegians didnt spell white "hvit", but "kvit". They should also resemble Nords, who are already modelled after the Vikings. The Vaegirs are modelled after Russians, a completely different people, but thats not so important, this being a fantasy setting and all. What's important is that you stick with the idea and make it sound right. Most of the names here sounds like they've been run through a web translator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkad If you want to go for an already known mythical person then sure, whatever ****s your goat. If not, just take a look at the wiki links i'll provide later in the post.
Galtung was a minor noble family name during the Viking age, and Gyldenløwe was the name given to bastard offspring of the Danish throne during the 17th and 18th (?) century. It is a modern name. Eiriksson and Sigurdsson are family names that indicate the name of the persons father (Xxxsson would mean Son of Xxx), and all the other names are animal names. Falk and Bjørn were normal first names, but the other animal names arent used as personal names. Fjell is a normal, modern family name. It literally means "Mountain".
Names derived from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_noble_titles would be far more accurate, and noble titles from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_noble_titles would make more sense.
Ladies
Dame means Lady, but since we didnt really give the girls any titles over here, it sounds very strange in my ears. A plain "name + family name" would be a lot better. Girls often took the name of their mother +dattir so "Svanhildur Myrundattir" would implicate that Svanhildur was the daughter of Myrun. Females would not neccesarily take their husbands family name upon marriage.
This HAS to a joke, or run through a web translator cus its - ALL - messed up. First of all, you dont call your basic unit "recruit" if you're going to go with localized names later. In that case it would be "rekrutt", but that's a modern term in Norwegian military history. You either have to stick with english or norwegian for the troop tree imo and all the other troop trees are in English so why not keep it simple?
Jeger = Hunter / Huntsman. Fair enuf.
Verdige Jeger = Worthy Hunter. Sounds silly in norwegian, almost like the "Big Tipi" indian name style again. If you're going to stick with Norwegian then Erfaren Jeger (experienced hunter) would be better, but like i said.. English game = english troop text imo.
Stor Jeger = Big Hunter. Author prob means "Great Hunter" which would be hard to translate into a norwegian troop title. Mektig Jeger (powerful hunter) or Jegermester (Jägermeister lol, or Master Hunter in english) would be better alternatives. I'd love having a troop called Jägermeister tho
The word "Baug" means "bow", not as in "bow and arrow" but as in the foremost point of a ships hull. A Baugsmann would be a person standing in the bow of the ship, not a hunter. "Bue" is the correct word for the "bow and arrow" bow, so "Verdig Buejeger" (two words, not three) would be "Worthy Bow Hunter" which again, just doesnt sound right. It's just too cheesy.
Milits is the same word as militia, just in its norwegian form.
Krigeren means "the warrior", not "a warrior". The correct form is "Kriger" (+e for plural), but its a term used about combatants (every combatant in a war is a "kriger" because he fights in a "krig"), not as a military title.
Stor Krigeren should actually be Storkrigeren, and it would mean "someone who does a lot of battles", and does not really say anything about his skill in battle, just that he participates or starts them (he's alive tho, so he must be doing something right). Again, "great" does not translate into "stor", because stor as an adjective means "big", so unless you're resizing your models you'd be lying
Døden Jeger means somewhere along the lines of "Dead Hunter" (its not good spelling tho) and apart from sounding real cheesy, what good does a dead hunter do you on the battlefield? If you change it to "Dødsjeger" then it's "Death Hunter", which is prob what the author is aiming for.
"Rekkevidde" means "reach", but the author is prob going for "ranged", which would be impossible to translate in its proper context. A "Bueskytter" (bow shooter) would be closest to what the author is aiming for with Ranged Warrior (ie a trained bowman).
Maskinbaugmann? LOLWUT?! That's literally a machinebowman, as in someone who operates a machine in the front of a ship, not some movie prop from a bad sci-fi movie. A crossbow is called an "armbrøst" in Norwegian, and there's just no way of bending that word to sound like an unit type. "Armbrøstmann" would be the closest you'd get, i suppose.
And finally.. Spyd Krigeren should be Spydmann (as in Spearman, instead of Spear Warrior) if you're going to do it right.
There's also the problem of singular/plural here. Jeger (singular) becomes Jegere (plural) and Kriger (singular) becomes Krigere (plural).
Nothing to comment there, except that Norse combatants rarely if ever used plate. They used a reinforced, cold resistant type of chainmail that was far superior to what they used in warmer parts of the world.
Ok, im done now. Might be a few typos in there.
Hviterike should be Kviterike, because medieval Norwegians didnt spell white "hvit", but "kvit". They should also resemble Nords, who are already modelled after the Vikings. The Vaegirs are modelled after Russians, a completely different people, but thats not so important, this being a fantasy setting and all. What's important is that you stick with the idea and make it sound right. Most of the names here sounds like they've been run through a web translator.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starkad If you want to go for an already known mythical person then sure, whatever ****s your goat. If not, just take a look at the wiki links i'll provide later in the post.
"Edle" is an adjective, not a title. It means "fine" or "noble", not as in "a noble", but as in "the wine is of noble quality". In Norwegian, these names sound like indian names. You know, like "Big Tipi" or "Running Horse". Jarl (earl) or Hertug (duke), Greve (count) or Lendman (baron) would be better alternatives for Lord prefixes.
Galtung was a minor noble family name during the Viking age, and Gyldenløwe was the name given to bastard offspring of the Danish throne during the 17th and 18th (?) century. It is a modern name. Eiriksson and Sigurdsson are family names that indicate the name of the persons father (Xxxsson would mean Son of Xxx), and all the other names are animal names. Falk and Bjørn were normal first names, but the other animal names arent used as personal names. Fjell is a normal, modern family name. It literally means "Mountain".
Names derived from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_noble_titles would be far more accurate, and noble titles from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norwegian_noble_titles would make more sense.
Ladies
Dame means Lady, but since we didnt really give the girls any titles over here, it sounds very strange in my ears. A plain "name + family name" would be a lot better. Girls often took the name of their mother +dattir so "Svanhildur Myrundattir" would implicate that Svanhildur was the daughter of Myrun. Females would not neccesarily take their husbands family name upon marriage.
This HAS to a joke, or run through a web translator cus its - ALL - messed up. First of all, you dont call your basic unit "recruit" if you're going to go with localized names later. In that case it would be "rekrutt", but that's a modern term in Norwegian military history. You either have to stick with english or norwegian for the troop tree imo and all the other troop trees are in English so why not keep it simple?
Jeger = Hunter / Huntsman. Fair enuf.
Verdige Jeger = Worthy Hunter. Sounds silly in norwegian, almost like the "Big Tipi" indian name style again. If you're going to stick with Norwegian then Erfaren Jeger (experienced hunter) would be better, but like i said.. English game = english troop text imo.
Stor Jeger = Big Hunter. Author prob means "Great Hunter" which would be hard to translate into a norwegian troop title. Mektig Jeger (powerful hunter) or Jegermester (Jägermeister lol, or Master Hunter in english) would be better alternatives. I'd love having a troop called Jägermeister tho
The word "Baug" means "bow", not as in "bow and arrow" but as in the foremost point of a ships hull. A Baugsmann would be a person standing in the bow of the ship, not a hunter. "Bue" is the correct word for the "bow and arrow" bow, so "Verdig Buejeger" (two words, not three) would be "Worthy Bow Hunter" which again, just doesnt sound right. It's just too cheesy.
Milits is the same word as militia, just in its norwegian form.
Krigeren means "the warrior", not "a warrior". The correct form is "Kriger" (+e for plural), but its a term used about combatants (every combatant in a war is a "kriger" because he fights in a "krig"), not as a military title.
Stor Krigeren should actually be Storkrigeren, and it would mean "someone who does a lot of battles", and does not really say anything about his skill in battle, just that he participates or starts them (he's alive tho, so he must be doing something right). Again, "great" does not translate into "stor", because stor as an adjective means "big", so unless you're resizing your models you'd be lying
Døden Jeger means somewhere along the lines of "Dead Hunter" (its not good spelling tho) and apart from sounding real cheesy, what good does a dead hunter do you on the battlefield? If you change it to "Dødsjeger" then it's "Death Hunter", which is prob what the author is aiming for.
"Rekkevidde" means "reach", but the author is prob going for "ranged", which would be impossible to translate in its proper context. A "Bueskytter" (bow shooter) would be closest to what the author is aiming for with Ranged Warrior (ie a trained bowman).
Maskinbaugmann? LOLWUT?! That's literally a machinebowman, as in someone who operates a machine in the front of a ship, not some movie prop from a bad sci-fi movie. A crossbow is called an "armbrøst" in Norwegian, and there's just no way of bending that word to sound like an unit type. "Armbrøstmann" would be the closest you'd get, i suppose.
And finally.. Spyd Krigeren should be Spydmann (as in Spearman, instead of Spear Warrior) if you're going to do it right.
There's also the problem of singular/plural here. Jeger (singular) becomes Jegere (plural) and Kriger (singular) becomes Krigere (plural).
Nothing to comment there, except that Norse combatants rarely if ever used plate. They used a reinforced, cold resistant type of chainmail that was far superior to what they used in warmer parts of the world.
Ok, im done now. Might be a few typos in there.
Dont take it personal Polydamas. We learn from our mistakes Now you have a lot of suggestions that you could use to enrichen your book by giving it a deeper, more correct background. If you need something translated in Norwegian, Swedish or Danish just send me an email and i'll help you out.
I'll take a quick look at your swedish based nation too. I'll just correct some of the most obvious mistakes here, since my swedish isnt THAT good. Remember to open the spoilers (in both posts), ive commented on them too
Härskarinna is the female form of Härskar, which means "ruler", in a dictatorial sense of the word. Might want to change that. It's also not used as a title. You'd say Alexander rules Hemmark, or that he's the Ruler of Hemmark, but his title would be King, or Kung. Alexander is not a swedish name, but if you still want to go with it then Aleksander would be more in line with norse name spelling traditions.
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Couple of these names are out of cultural context but who cares.
"Kille" literally means "man". He's not a recruit, not a militia, not a weapon wielding type of person at all.. just a man.
Jägare is the same word as the Norwegian Jeger. Same unit i guess.
"Skytten" is Swedish for "Saggitarius", not a bowman.
"Armborst" is swedish for crossbow. There's no such word as "Korsfluga".
"Kastar" means "to throw". The unit is an axe thrower, so it should by "Yxkastar" i think, +e for plural. My swedish is a bit rusty tho.
"Befälhavaren" is the commanding officer on a ship or military installation, not a unit.
Young Raider / Raider? Mixing up the languages again? That's english, not swedish.
Erfarna Raider is one swedish and one english word? how about just using "experienced raider" instead?
"Nedskärningar" is what the euro zone have to do now, they have to cut their expenses. This has nothing to do with violence and war, and im not sure what you're aiming for. If you let me know i'll give you a better translation
"Fäktare" means "a fencer", and i have a hard time believing swedish vikings were doing anything of the sort.
"kännare fäktare" is supposed to be "expert fencer", but "kännare" is used more as "connoisseur" than "expert", so it doesnt sound right at all.
Bärsärk = Swedish for Berzerk, and the correct form would be Bärsärkare (Berzerker), i think.
That should cover at least some of it I can go over it one more time if you'd like me to and see if there's anything else that needs to be fixed.
Now you have a lot of suggestions that you could use to enrichen your book by giving it a deeper, more correct background. If you need something translated in Norwegian, Swedish or Danish just send me an email and i'll help you out. I'll take a quick look at your swedish based nation too. I'll just correct some of the most obvious mistakes here, since my swedish isnt THAT good. Remember to open the spoilers (in both posts), ive commented on them too
polydamas 说:
Härskarinna is the female form of Härskar, which means "ruler", in a dictatorial sense of the word. Might want to change that. It's also not used as a title. You'd say Alexander rules Hemmark, or that he's the Ruler of Hemmark, but his title would be King, or Kung. Alexander is not a swedish name, but if you still want to go with it then Aleksander would be more in line with norse name spelling traditions.
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Couple of these names are out of cultural context but who cares.
"Kille" literally means "man". He's not a recruit, not a militia, not a weapon wielding type of person at all.. just a man.
Jägare is the same word as the Norwegian Jeger. Same unit i guess.
"Skytten" is Swedish for "Saggitarius", not a bowman.
"Armborst" is swedish for crossbow. There's no such word as "Korsfluga".
"Kastar" means "to throw". The unit is an axe thrower, so it should by "Yxkastar" i think, +e for plural. My swedish is a bit rusty tho.
"Befälhavaren" is the commanding officer on a ship or military installation, not a unit.
Young Raider / Raider? Mixing up the languages again? That's english, not swedish.
Erfarna Raider is one swedish and one english word? how about just using "experienced raider" instead?
"Nedskärningar" is what the euro zone have to do now, they have to cut their expenses. This has nothing to do with violence and war, and im not sure what you're aiming for. If you let me know i'll give you a better translation
"Fäktare" means "a fencer", and i have a hard time believing swedish vikings were doing anything of the sort.
"kännare fäktare" is supposed to be "expert fencer", but "kännare" is used more as "connoisseur" than "expert", so it doesnt sound right at all.
Bärsärk = Swedish for Berzerk, and the correct form would be Bärsärkare (Berzerker), i think.
That should cover at least some of it
I can go over it one more time if you'd like me to and see if there's anything else that needs to be fixed.
polydamas
Sergeant
Danarki 说:"Nedskärningar" is what the euro zone have to do now, they have to cut their expenses. This has nothing to do with violence and war, and im not sure what you're aiming for. If you let me know i'll give you a better translation
It was supposed to be sword fighter I think lol.
polydamas 说:Danarki 说:"Nedskärningar" is what the euro zone have to do now, they have to cut their expenses. This has nothing to do with violence and war, and im not sure what you're aiming for. If you let me know i'll give you a better translation
It was supposed to be sword fighter I think lol.
Fighter / Warrior is generally hard to translate into scandinavian languages because it will not sound like an actual military unit.
Sword = Svärd, so I'd go for Svärdman (Svärdmen for plural, i think. The word "man" is used just as the english word, and in Norwegian its mann/menn). Translated to english it would be "Swordsman" rather than "Sword Fighter".
tbj28
Knight
I whould recommend trying to keep unit names in english, so new people trying the mod dont get overwhelmed with several languages they dont know makes it easier for people to get into the mod... tho me being a dane i whould have np with it but more or less thinking how it whould be for people totally no experience with the scandinavian Languages.
polydamas
Sergeant
tbj28 说:
Hmm, well I guess I do have to agree with you. I'll change the troops to English here and leave them in their original form in my original post. This way Ben can choose whichever he feels is best.
Hviterike
Veteran Bow Hunter
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Hunter - Experienced Hunter - Great Hunter
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Recruit Hunter-Warrior
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Militia - Warrior - Veteran Warrior - Death Hunter
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\ Spearman
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Archer - Crossbowman
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Hunter - Experienced Hunter - Great Hunter
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Recruit Hunter-Warrior
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Militia - Warrior - Veteran Warrior - Death Hunter
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\ Spearman
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Archer - Crossbowman
Hemmark
Crossbowman
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Hunter - Bowman - Master Archer
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/ Axe Thrower - Elite Axe Thrower
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Militiaman Scout - Horseman
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Young Raider - Raider - Experienced Raider - Axeman - Berserker
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Swordsman - Veteran Swordsman
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Hunter - Bowman - Master Archer
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/ Axe Thrower - Elite Axe Thrower
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Militiaman Scout - Horseman
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Young Raider - Raider - Experienced Raider - Axeman - Berserker
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Swordsman - Veteran Swordsman
And I already did Arrion in English, so that should be fine.
Also I modified the Lords and Ladies for both the Hviterikes and the Hemmish.
