[S][1.125] -Black Sky- |v0.8.4| |Updated 18/06/10|

[SUBS]

i will eventualy get the front page updated with a breakdown of each unit/ranged weapons and what i'm attempting to move them towards being.

as to the rest of your concerns,
-Sniper crossbows are not used by any units, just an option for the player to use.
-firearms, the only unit that uses these are Janissaries, they're long range, inaccurate, high damage, extremely slow to reload - if anything Janissaries ranged capabilites feel weak, which is why they are armed with melee weapons as well.

-Shield durability this was initially raised for sieges, back when all ranged weapons hit harder and when testing my shield would get blown up quite quickly, haven't really attempted to balance this mod for sieges as im hoping there will be a better way to do them in the near future, siege weapons more ladders, battering down the gates etc... (coupled with the fact i play on battlesize 440 native sieges were ridiculous anyway.)
              more to the point i will lower it in later versions (still higher than defualt, but more representative of the shields worth as opposed to current all being 1'000)

- ammo, personally i hate running out of what ever ranged weapon im using as far as i see this its just hassle, but for you ill update this post with a Utility that can modify the ammo u carry (works with any warband mod)

- repeater crossbows, i guess they sound over powerd but in reality they do less damage than standard crossbows, less accurate and probably put out 2.5 bolts for every 1 bolt a standard crossbow fires recruit some of them and you'll find they not particularly effective versus shielded infantry ( they're designed for unshielded infantry) am contemplating putting the sniper crossbow as another swadian unit (obviously would need to balance it.)



Technically this is still beta so the units are going to change a bit, and i haven't even started on the bandit trees yet, another issue you may have noticed is desrter parties you may find Swadian billmen deserters or some similar top tier units that completely destroy you at level 1, which is something i need to fix

and yeah all the units need balancing so feedback on what u feel is too strong or too weak and i will look into it. still a fair way away from 1.0 released where i can say i'm happy with it as a Mod.

Sorry to be complaining

i don't look at it as a complaint more like feedback, to everyone else if there is something in this mod u don't like let me know

as for testing I've not managed a proper play through myself yet each time i attempt it i find something to change, then after doing that my save game no longer works XD
- which is why i want feedback from people who do play it.

 

[Nodsitruc2]

Do you already have the link updated? Or better yet, is it the same link?

 

[Imperator.]

Its disappointing to see you continue to publish this work when the appropriate credit has not been given.. alot of this work  has obviously been taken from other modifications and as such your first priority should be to seek permission. Its morally wrong to release work that is not yours.

 

[SUBS]

Credits:
All not native models in the mod are not made by me, they are made by community members and add to this mod by me credit for design goes to them.
(will attempt to get a full list eventually)

ALL MODELS IN THIS MOD & KIT ARE NOT MADE BY ME, THEY ARE EITHER DESIGNED BY TALEWORLDS OR A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ARE THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY BELONGING TO TALEWORLDS.

"alot of this work", by alot you mean about 11 models from mostly dead mods that haven't been updated in over 2 years, that need to be recompiled. i realy don;t get your problem with this i made a mod for myself using any models i could find and liked, shared it with a mate who recommended i upload it. where is the harm done do you realize what i get from creating this project, a big fat **** all it just gives people on these forums an option to play something different from native. whats your problem with that?

same point i tried to make to the guy who whined when i fulfilled a request (someone asked for spartan armours) so i spent my free time writing easy to follow instructions and making a working kit so he could have them again what do i get from doing this?.... nothing

i pretty much use all the time i spend on the forums attempting to help people out/fixing things for people, i realy don;t appreciate when some random prick comes on here and starts flaming me for "releasing work that's not mine." so shall i just delete this mod and tell people go play native this stuff wasn't made for warband?

or if it hurts your Morales that badly i authorize you to seek out and ask on behalf of myself, if it's okay to use these models. and the names of the people who made them 5~ years ago, personally  i don;t have a problem with re-using already released community released freeware to make my freeware better for the people that use it.

do people really care that much about getting their name on a forum page - don't you think its more important for people to have something other to play then just native.



Once again a legal disclaimer....... for freeware...
[size=18pt]ALL MODELS IN THIS MOD & KIT ARE NOT MADE BY ME, THEY ARE EITHER DESIGNED BY TALEWORLDS OR A COMMUNITY MEMBER AND ARE THE INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY BELONGING TO TALEWORLDS.

 

[Imperator.]

Thats not a credits list.. thats a 'to-do' list. You should have sought permission before you even made a release, not wait until someone gave you a verbal flogging. Waiting until now is simply decietful and gutless. Credit should go to the people who actually put in the hard-work to make 'your' mod.

 

[Br0adside/Slagathor]

Credits:
All not native models in the mod are not made by me, they are made by community members and add to this mod by me credit for design goes to them.
(will attempt to get a full list eventually)

how are they spose to get credit for the designs if you dont even list their names. If you dont get permission from them to use their creations then your plagiarizing.

1. There are more then 11 models in this mod
2. Some of these models are made by people which as of which are still active.
3. Chillout and stop acting like a child. If you dont like people having a go at you, dont use the material

 

[SUBS]

maybe u should get a better understanding of Plagiarism, as I'm sure (haven't read the full legal docs) like all other companies do Taleworlds own all mods made for it, hence if you attempted to make a mod based on mount & blade for profit they wouldm't ave the grounds for legal action, point being people do not own the modules they create.

anyways i guess I'm flattered that 2 people who as far as i can tell from post history are lleeches decided I'm worthy of flaming for spending my time to make something that ill say once again benefits me in no way, and is purely for this community to enjoy as an alternative to native - meant as a place holder till decent mods are released.

EDIT:

how are they spose to get credit for the designs if you dont even list their names. If you dont get permission from them to use their creations then your plagiarizing.

1. There are more then 11 models in this mod
2. Some of these models are made by people which as of which are still active.
3. Chillout and stop acting like a child. If you dont like people having a go at you, dont use the material

you really don't get the point I've made, basically i'm busy and  have priorities on making this would you prefer to read about the mod or play it, hence iv;e scrapped the change log ands its TBA - assumed people weren't so selfish that they need me to do research on who made what and put their name with some shiny gold stars...

seriously unless you;ve got some unfathomable reason for wanting people to play native only, whats the problem?

3.personally I've got no problems with idiots having a go at me it's just a hell of a lot more fun face to face, always found forums suck for a conversation.
calling me a child well done, in your next post try no life or virgin from what i hear in the interwerb they're both good insults.
more to the point your 17.... so ill stop acting like a child, when u stop being one.

 

[Imperator.]

Not once has myself, nor anyone else stated the original creators of the mods own the content created. It may be within taleworlds legal rights to use the mods as they desire because it is an extension of the code they used to create the original product, but they did not create the content personally.

You are morally obliged to seek permission and give credit to the people who did create the content. As stated previously, permission should have been seeked before you released any of there work, do not wait until your deceit is stated publicly.

 

[SUBS]

"can you not comprehend whats been said", my 'deceit' i've never claimed the models to be made by me.

frankly by your post history as i said your a leech, you seem to know where custom models come from yet you've made no posts prior to today, spent your time enjoying other peoples work?

how about you try making something useful for the community, because at this time there is not very much alternative to native

metaphoric question?
when someone makes u a coffee, do u call them deceitful and gutless for using a mug thats produced in a warehouse, beans that are ground in Kenya, and a whole load of kitchen utensils made by other companies..... but no i guess they put the coffee in the mug added water and 2 tea spoons of sugar, so i guess they made it...


play it, don't play it - i don't care just stop whining when you haven't contributed anything to the taleworlds community, I'm going to hit upthe gym, this pointless discussion is done.

 

[Zajadu]

SUBS is fine, he stated that all works are belonging to others. Get over it. They're not your models, why do you have a chainsaw up your ass?

 

[Imperator.]

metaphoric question?
when someone makes u a coffee, do u call them deceitful and gutless for using a mug thats produced in a warehouse, beans that are ground in Kenya, and a whole load of kitchen utensils made by other companies..... but no i guess they put the coffee in the mug added water and 2 tea spoons of sugar, so i guess they made it...

If I painted a moustache on the Mona Lisa.. does that make me the artist? Btw, editting your posts to make you seem more intelligent is deception at its best.. your really good at this aren't you?

Edit: Its amazing what a bit of public pressure can do.. glad to see that credit list is starting to populate.

 

[Ewan]

[size=12pt]hey
please help me
i download your mod but when i press ( I ) i got massage : inv_i_Charcter_Shadow Not Found ( game_variables )
can u help me plz 
i w8 your answer​

 

[SUBS]

metaphoric question?
when someone makes u a coffee, do u call them deceitful and gutless for using a mug thats produced in a warehouse, beans that are ground in Kenya, and a whole load of kitchen utensils made by other companies..... but no i guess they put the coffee in the mug added water and 2 tea spoons of sugar, so i guess they made it...

If I painted a moustache on the Mona Lisa.. does that make me the artist? Btw, editting your posts to make you seem more intelligent is deception at its best.. your really good at this aren't you?

Edit: Its amazing what a bit of public pressure can do.. glad to see that credit list is starting to populate.

editing my post to reply to your edits more like... would u prefer i double post?
public pressure or whine, perspective
- also think u made an impact if u like - if it makes u feeling meaningful/accomplished or what not. But that will be added eventually has been up there a long time.

and yeah maybe work on your metaphors as yours implies i edited  the texture/model then claimed it to be my own. which as iv'e pointed out numerous times is not the case. anyways drop it make ur own mod or just stfu, your points are pretty invalid and poorly reasoned anyways - no seriously just drop it your pointless point is exasperated, and the annoying pre-pubescent insults are getting a tad old, just disappear alright?




EDIT: Ewan honestly i don't know what the trouble is, module runs fine for me, anyone else whos downloaded could u confirm the same if it works for you. only thing i can suggest, maybe something got corrupted in the download - redownload it?

do you mean, when your in game you bring up the inventory and you get error messages? "inv_i_Charcter_Shadow" is not anything Ive adding or modified - does your native have  this error as well?

or are you attempting to run any other mods with this one? (if there is another mini-mod u want added, animations etc... I can do that for you and upload it)


EDIT2:

editting your posts to make you seem more intelligent is deception at its best.. your really good at this aren't you?

just wanted to make a point here  about the name calling, do you understand what deception is?
beacuase it seems either your understanding on the words terminology is lacking or you've misinterpreted something i said, giving claim to have making textures & models.

because if i read through every post if made in this thread i fail to see where i'm being deceitful or gutless, but i guess i should thank you for bumping the post count, getting me that much closer to a sub-forum.

an example of what i'm saying would be me saying your a communist based on the opinions and points u made - but this really makes no sense as there is no evidence to the cause.

 

[TheKommissar]

Thats not a credits list.. thats a 'to-do' list. You should have sought permission before you even made a release, not wait until someone gave you a verbal flogging. Waiting until now is simply decietful and gutless. Credit should go to the people who actually put in the hard-work to make 'your' mod.

This is why work never gets done.  Waiting for permission to use someone elses ideas that they make no profit from can put an amazing mod on standby for months, even years.  If you want a good example of this then look at the modding forum for Oblivion.  No one ever uses other peoples work without permission and some mods have even been scrapped because they weren't able to get permission because the author stopped modding/playing a while back.  If anything work done for any gaming community should be open source to the PLAYER, who are the most important contributors to the game.  If modders didn't have players to critique and support their mods then mods would just be made for individuals and if that were the case then we wouldn't have this grand amazing mods released at all.

I feel it is perfectly acceptable to state outright that SUBS had not created these models but had borrowed them from the community.  It's not like he is selling Black Sky to make a profit, and it is not like he is taking claim to these models as his own.  Therefor there is no issue except for what you believe is one.  And with that attitude, just take a look at my first paragraph.

 

[Modiglian]

Thats not a credits list.. thats a 'to-do' list. You should have sought permission before you even made a release, not wait until someone gave you a verbal flogging. Waiting until now is simply decietful and gutless. Credit should go to the people who actually put in the hard-work to make 'your' mod.

This is why work never gets done.  Waiting for permission to use someone elses ideas that they make no profit from can put an amazing mod on standby for months, even years.  If you want a good example of this then look at the modding forum for Oblivion.  No one ever uses other peoples work without permission and some mods have even been scrapped because they weren't able to get permission because the author stopped modding/playing a while back.  If anything work done for any gaming community should be open source to the PLAYER, who are the most important contributors to the game.  If modders didn't have players to critique and support their mods then mods would just be made for individuals and if that were the case then we wouldn't have this grand amazing mods released at all.

I feel it is perfectly acceptable to state outright that SUBS had not created these models but had borrowed them from the community.  It's not like he is selling Black Sky to make a profit, and it is not like he is taking claim to these models as his own.  Therefor there is no issue except for what you believe is one.  And with that attitude, just take a look at my first paragraph.

Apsolutely right. If M&B would have strong modding like forexample Totalwar series and there would be modteams of 10 to 20 guys making the mods I could understand that there should be credits.
I also understand that anyone who made the units and items are proud of them but still I don't see it to be nessesery to give gredit as long as it's clear that there is someone elses work borrowed. In this case it's obvious to anyone that has read this topic few pages.
Maybe SUBS should have made credist list but attacking on him like Imperator is doing is just rude. Moderators should stop that flaming right away.

I can't see any crime on SUBS part here. He has made a great mod and done something that is not an easy task even if the units and other stuff is not made by him. Implementing them to the game is already hard enough. If you don't believe it go and try for your self.

Edit: Also believe or not modding is not only making units. Someone has to write the scripts, make sure everything works etc. So even if the units are not SUBS this is still hes mod.

 

[Kabraxxis]

I'm behind SUBS and any modder for that matter - but more importantly, look at how willing to change his own mod he has been for the community that uses it. He's not looking for attention or e-fame, he's genuinely doing something for the benefit of others and he's doing a marvelous job. Keep at it man

 

[Yvain]

Wow I can't believe the harassment the modder is getting.  The bottom line is that mods are free, and therefore, who cares about "getting credit?"  I've got a guess.. a bunch of people who feel that the only way they feel important is to go around policing stupid sh**.  Maybe just to be polite, Black Sky can include a credits page when it's fully complete, but I'd rather have modders create new content than sit around waiting for permission from other modders, even though all of the mods technically belong to TW. 

 

[Ewan]

Okay i will do and will tell you
ty for you answer 

 

[Rangers Fury]

I agree with the previous posters, SUBS is doing something that benefits the majority of the community, and hurts almost no-one....
Now, if someone from one of the mods whose models SUBS has used asked SUBS for some credit, I'm sure SUBS would give it.....honestly, i don't understand the big deal with this, as SUBS never claimed the stuff was his own work, and he is getting little credit for what he IS doing.....

Just calm the f*** down, and let SUBS benefit the modding community...

Good point about the Oblivion community, I play Oblivion mods....and there is nothing more annoying for a player and community member than waiting for a good mod to come out cause some person is either to lazy or to stuck up to give out permission to use his work....

Creative Commons.......

 

[zachdog6]

are you sure your pressing the right keys? its a default setting - not somthing iv'e added


- you need to be on the map screen
- press [CTRL] and [¬`¦] (that key should be to the left of your [1] key)

now a box will appear and yout type 'CHEATMENU' in there, then click camp.

tell me where its not working for you

i keep trying. i am pressing Ctrl + ~, but no black box come up. HELP!