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He's also realted to several old Danish psychologists.
Anyway, everyone, Llandy already said drop it, so drop it.
Anyway, everyone, Llandy already said drop it, so drop it.
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Anthropoid said:
Okay. So let's imagine a person has just tried to commit suicide and this is your reaction:
How does that harmonise with this?:
I believe you have double standards of morality.
Adorno said:
You believe it is not possible to be simultaneously angry and sympathetic?
I've never deplored Robin Williams as a "fiend" or "evil incarnate." I merely said I was angry at him, and I sincerely was. If his efforts to kill himself had failed and I was tasked with helping to treat him (hypothetically) I would in a gentle but direct way make it clear that attempting to kill oneself is not okay, and that it likely made his children and loved ones, as well as many millions of fans worldwide no less angry at him than I was. "After all Robin, you are beloved by millions. We all love you and would literally do just about anything to help you. All you need do is ask . . ."
I am not the only professional nor would-be victim of suicide to point out that it is an inherently selfish act, that is born out of fear and an inability to face the task of overcoming that fear and moreover that it is a terrible thing to do as a result of its rippling negative impacts on everyone else, including setting a terrible example for others who suffer from depression or suicidal ideation.
Based on my understanding of clinical psychology, in a therapeutic context, any and all of these negative attributions would in time be revealed to the patient, though admittedly coming right out and stating as blatantly as I did previously in this thread would be potentially counterproductive.
The details of the dialogue are not worth spending time on, the sum point is: there is nothing inherently contradictory about simultaneously feeling great sympathy for a person, but being angry at them for not having acted to save themselves.
ADDIT: anyway, as Mage says, Llandy has indicated that we should drop it and let everyone grieve in their own way. Had Tiberius not re-quoted my earlier posts on the previous page, seemingly in response to my unrelated post discussing the incidence, and prevalence of suicide globally, I would not have got into this discussion again. I have no desire to offend or upset anyone. I think I've said more than enough to explain my feelings; I won't respond to any further queries or provocations on the specific topic of how I felt and feel about Williams having killed himself.
I'm sure that will cheer him upAnthropoid said:
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You can't both be understanding and think of the person as a selfish coward. Do you grasp the concept of double standards?
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By using my sleuthing powers I have discovered that Anthropoid's real name is Dr. Zaius.
I bet he's that bald loon on fox news that pretends to be a qualified psychologist.
Depression is nothing like being in a bad mood or being upset.
It feels more like everything you have ever liked or had interest in has had whatever you found good or sustaining about it ripped away, the world feels empty, gray and all you feel is a colossal weight of fatigue. You use track of time and rarely eat.
Nothing your family say, your lover do nor the affections of a pet can stimulate any emotion more than a fugue state of apathy.
It is an illness and should be treated as such, schizophrenics, drug addicts and natural idiots are not treated as rational beings (the former being my experience) so why assign such terrible judgement on a depressive? They have done nothing to deserve such abusive treatment.
._. - by the by, those with preexssiting mental conditions havebeen noted as having a larger chance of entering depressive episodes, of which I am familiar with.
I tend to fill mine by jogging, endorphins work well as a temporary measure of relief. And it is all you really can do for such necessary relief (beyond external use of stimulants) since you tend to find that you become completely impotent.
Depression is nothing like being in a bad mood or being upset.
It feels more like everything you have ever liked or had interest in has had whatever you found good or sustaining about it ripped away, the world feels empty, gray and all you feel is a colossal weight of fatigue. You use track of time and rarely eat.
Nothing your family say, your lover do nor the affections of a pet can stimulate any emotion more than a fugue state of apathy.
It is an illness and should be treated as such, schizophrenics, drug addicts and natural idiots are not treated as rational beings (the former being my experience) so why assign such terrible judgement on a depressive? They have done nothing to deserve such abusive treatment.
._. - by the by, those with preexssiting mental conditions havebeen noted as having a larger chance of entering depressive episodes, of which I am familiar with.
I tend to fill mine by jogging, endorphins work well as a temporary measure of relief. And it is all you really can do for such necessary relief (beyond external use of stimulants) since you tend to find that you become completely impotent.
According to Williams partner, he was experiencing the early stages of Parkinson's Disease. That for me changes the nature of his suicide entirely. While I am as sad as I ever was, I no longer feel anger, disappointment or dismay. Rest in peace "Garp."
