RNG stuff that should be made more interactive.

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Apocal

Grandmaster Knight
1. Supporters.
Supporters are such a huge mechanic for generating piles of free influence (if you don't want to fight a million battles or take half the continent as your personal fiefdom) and it is not only semi-hidden behind a tooltip but also also completely unexplained how you acquire them. The gist is: have high relations and wait. A long time. Like a really, really long time. Ten to fifteen years or more.

2. Policy votes.
Nobles choose which policy to put to a vote at nearly complete random. The easiest way to test this is to watch a policy vote called, then load the game again. Odds are there won't be another one (unlike wardecs) and if there is, it will be for something totally different (also unlike wardecs). The AI doesn't know or understand what it needs. It has no interaction with what is happening in the game world. Things like their clan wallet, conquered fiefs, distribution between towns and villages, etc. should have a big impact on which policies they support and which ones they don't want.

3. Having children.
You wait in a settlement. And wait. And wait some more. Eventually, your wife is pregnant. Maybe. I understand that for rating purposes that TW might not be able to put in an obvious "let's try for a baby" button and that is fine. But can there at least be some indication of the relative chance, with a way to push the needle in your favor. Relations, gifts, playing board games, whatever.

What else can you guys think of?
 

Ananda_The_Destroyer

Grandmaster Knight
Getting married, at least for MC some kind of quest or set of events would be nice. War declaration would be better with some reasons displayed and a way to interact such as sending gift to foreign faction or even proposing a longer peace or a alliance against another faction. Same with your own vassals, you should have way to interact and appease them other then just veto votes. And of course these second 2 need to be remote, if it requires the player to waste time running all over to talk to npcs, it becomes worthless as campaign time is the true currency, with gold and infleunce coming endlessly from any useful activity on the game.
 
I understand that for rating purposes that TW might not be able to put in an obvious "let's try for a baby" button and that is fine.

Pretty sure Bannerlord is already 16+ (in the UK at least), but "let's have a baby" without any other elaboration isn't subject to rating as far as I know.

I think having kids is always going to have a strong element of RNG since you can't exactly integrate it into gameplay well (unless...????). However if the pacing actually made the generational system relevant, they might do something like in CK 2 where the game suspends RNG just to make sure you have at least one heir per generation so that a dice roll doesn't ruin your playthrough. I definitely think they should just give you a pregnancy fairly soon after you get married, then leave the rest up to RNG.
 

JunKeteer

Veteran
I think having kids is always going to have a strong element of RNG since you can't exactly integrate it into gameplay well (unless...????). However if the pacing actually made the generational system relevant, they might do something like in CK 2 where the game suspends RNG just to make sure you have at least one heir per generation so that a dice roll doesn't ruin your playthrough. I definitely think they should just give you a pregnancy fairly soon after you get married, then leave the rest up to RNG.
Pretty sure an oversight by the devs that wasn't fully considered with the rest of the mechanics. It immediately gives the player a timer (afaik, from 20 to ~35?); yes, if you play as a male, less so TBD on the wife's age. They 'dismissed' this issue by saying one can just turn death&age off but that's lazy.
Why not, besides only your partner or children, add an option to take over one of your companions (since they are in your clan) as well to buffer potentially scuffed playthroughs. Each playthrough in this game is a lot more commitment than, say, Kenshi where death makes it practically almost rogue-like in some cases (but they also allow you to take over any member to the end).
 
Each playthrough in this game is a lot more commitment than, say, Kenshi where death makes it practically almost rogue-like in some cases (but they also allow you to take over any member to the end)

I disagree, Kenshi playthroughs can easily last 100+ hours, much longer than a Bannerlord campaign. It's a fairly forgiving game despite what redditors keep saying, and after the earlygame there is almost no chance of losing.

It's for this reason that I don't think it matters that the player doesn't always have an heir. Currently everyone in BL is railroaded into a full world conquest. The equivalent of that in Kenshi is taking out all the endgame bosses, which is about 100 hours if you play it casually. But if they gave Bannerlord more earlygame options and allowed people to "finish" a campaign without conquering the map, it would make the generational mechanics even more redundant than they already are.
 

JunKeteer

Veteran
I disagree, Kenshi playthroughs can easily last 100+ hours, much longer than a Bannerlord campaign. It's a fairly forgiving game despite what redditors keep saying, and after the earlygame there is almost no chance of losing.
It's for this reason that I don't think it matters that the player doesn't always have an heir. Currently everyone in BL is railroaded into a full world conquest. The equivalent of that in Kenshi is taking out all the endgame bosses, which is about 100 hours if you play it casually. But if they gave Bannerlord more earlygame options and allowed people to "finish" a campaign without conquering the map, it would make the generational mechanics even more redundant than they already are.
Yes, but the success in that genre/game too is the fact a 1hour playthrough (die to bonedog) could be just as 'complete' as a 400+ hour playthrough; player 'story-wise'. And similarly with companions, if your 'main char' dies, you have the potential 31+ recruits to take over so it doesn't really matter if your 'main' dies anyways. To get to that point in BL, even if you speedrun marriage/kid, will take quite some time.
In BL (with death enabled), if you want to make a worthwhile playthrough, even with your own imposed handicaps to slow the game down/avoid late-game, you pretty much have to get married/kid to continue that playthrough or it's 'wasted' after a certain point (particularly if you play as a female). There's no 'chance' to redeem that playthrough after a certain point - if you're single and childless by the time you're 40, might as well delete that playthrough and start a new one. Not like the other features in the game, besides said 'railroaded world conquest' make it worth watching your char age and die to 'complete' the playthrough.
 

Ichon

Sergeant at Arms
Why not allow adoptions? Was fairly common in history and if the person adopted was from a noble lineage with no openly known heirs the legitimacy was very sound.

50% of legitimacy issues came from the children of the eldest female line when their eldest was male (nephews) or and about a quarter of the rest was uncles challenging when their elder brother died without a solid heir (no male child or children as infants)
 

Apocal

Grandmaster Knight
Why not allow adoptions? Was fairly common in history and if the person adopted was from a noble lineage with no openly known heirs the legitimacy was very sound.

50% of legitimacy issues came from the children of the eldest female line when their eldest was male (nephews) or and about a quarter of the rest was uncles challenging when their elder brother died without a solid heir (no male child or children as infants)
For game purposes, all of your companions are already treated as if they were family members for the purpose of inheritance. You can just pick them if you die.
 

Ichon

Sergeant at Arms
For game purposes, all of your companions are already treated as if they were family members for the purpose of inheritance. You can just pick them if you die.
Most of my companions are the same age though and I was guessing they are all going to start dying quickly around the same time. I don't know what random wanderers will be around if I need to add new companions quickly but I guess that is close enough- I was thinking more to adopt from the noble clans just to start with a heir with higher stats.
 

Ananda_The_Destroyer

Grandmaster Knight
For game purposes, all of your companions are already treated as if they were family members for the purpose of inheritance. You can just pick them if you die.
Have you done this recently? I thought people were saying you couldn't continue as wanderers anymore. I've still never seen any of it because I've never died :dead:
 

Amerlain

Regular
Kind of a small thing, but it would be nice if you could choose the color of the main character's horse. Not sure what the current factors are that determine it ...is it the breed or is it random?
 

VVL99

Regular
3.
• Dear, you and I are not yet so close for children.
• Dear, we have so much more to do, there is no time for children.
• Honey, I love you so much that I want children.

2.
• There are poor clans in our faction, we need laws to improve the economy.
• Now the political situation is difficult, we need laws to strengthen our faction.
• Some clans have more privileges than others, we need equal rights laws.

1.
• We have good relations with various influential people, but in every issue you have to take into account your own benefits, you need to think about it.
 

Koka_Kohga

Recruit
Kind of a small thing, but it would be nice if you could choose the color of the main character's horse. Not sure what the current factors are that determine it ...is it the breed or is it random?
I'm into this. It doesn't even matter but I want a cute horsey, darn it!
 
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