Rhodok Sargents

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I've been playing Rhodoks as of late and am somewhat disappointed with the Sargents. Roughly 50% of them are nearly identical to Sharpshooters, but they have no ranged attack. IMO Sargents need something to stand out from their Sharpshooter counterparts. The Green text below is FYI... The Red is an offered suggestion to add a bit more spice and playability for the Rhodok Sargents. Also keep in mind that percentages are very rough; this is just based off of my observations:

Equipment:

Sargent
Armor: 40% Byrine / 10% Surcoat over Mail / 50% Banded
Helm: 50% Kettle Helm / 50% Guard Helm
Weapons: Sword + Board Shield / or / Glaive

Sharpshooter
Armor: 100% Byrine
Helm: 50% Kettle Helm / 50% Sturdy Leather Cap
Weapons: Swords, Shields, Crossbows and Bolts.

So about half of Sharpshooters are basically better equipped than Sargents; about the same armor, but with more weapons. Sargents have no form of distance attack (not even sometimes), and are often left defenseless to ranged attacks, regardless of their tougher (and heavier) armor. Additionally, Sharpshooters are consistently the same, which is nice.

Relevant Skill Information:

Sargents - 57 Health . 5 Powerstrike . 5 Shield . 5 Athletics . 138 1H . 151 2H
Sharpshooters - 62 Health . 4 Powerstrike . 4 Shield . 6 Athletics . 119 1H . 140 Crossbow

Stats are not great, nor unimpressive. No Weapons skill (not sure if it matters). The lower Athletics of Sargents doesn't make much sense, since they have to haul around heavier armor, and are more likely to engage the enemy themselves (often without shields). Additionally, Sharpshooters have more health!

Don't get me wrong, I am enjoying Rhodoks, but I personally see very little reason to turn half of my troops into Sargents (who, contrary to lore, are not very good at their job of slaying Calvary).


A possible solution?

Give Sargents:
- More Health
- Better Armor (Remove Byrine)
- 6 or 7 Athletics
- Spears / Glaives... or Military Picks with shields.


That would at least allow Rhodok 'spearmen' to live up to their names and actually carry spears, which would also really help against calvary, something high level Rhodok troops currently do not handle so well. At a bare minimum, give Sargents a piercing weapon like the Military Pick and a shield to let them deal with Calvary in a different manner. Just don't give them Pikes, which are totally useless against infantry.

As I said, what they really need is a distinction between them and sharpshooters.
 
First of all, we still need more varietes of armors,gauntlets,greaves and helms,so units can differ more from each other...

Secondly, no archer should wear heavy armor (maybe one unique unit in of the factions.Could still be rhodoks though.) equipment of ranged units should mostly consist of:
-Lower tier ranged troops: shirts,tunics,padded clothing,gambeson, cowhide,caps,hoods,hats, helmets wit low protection,hunters boots and alike,daggers,knifes,meat cleaver,hatchet,woodsman axe,clubs,spiked clubs,knobbed maces,
-Higher tier ranged units : leather armors,byrnie,chain shirts, hauberk,nomad robes, leather gloves,helmets with medium protection,leather boots,smaller shields(including buckler), small swords,daggers, voulge,military picks,hatchet,woodsman axe,winged maces,spiked clubs

Thirdly, most of the ranged units have to much points on power attack skill and ironskin.They should have at least 2-3(or reduced to 0 if they dont have 2-3 skills of those two ) points of these 2 skills lower than an infarty of the same tier.
 
it takes a lot of strength to use a cross bow, makes sense they have high power strike, its just that the Sergeants need a tad bit more power strike and more armor. thats all.
 
I haven't played M&B in a while, but last I heard Rhodock Sharpshooters were better at melee than the Sergeants.
 
scootar said:
I say add custom weaponry exclusive to the class. A longer 1-h pike.

exclusive weapons should never be a viable option...  I do think spears still need work, though.

Anyway, hopefully this is being worked on... I think most people will agree the Sargent needs tweaked.
 
today I was fightign sergeants, I could easily one shot sharpshooters from my horse, but those sergeatns are a different story for some reason, this is in the age of machinery mod though, not sure if he edited them or something.
 
LordMutaz said:
today I was fightign sergeants, I could easily one shot sharpshooters from my horse, but those sergeatns are a different story for some reason, this is in the age of machinery mod though, not sure if he edited them or something.

Sargents do have a chance to get Guard Helmets (2nd best helm), which help a lot against headshots.
 
Maybe if you ask nicely Fei Dao will port his "making the rhodoks suck less hard" mod to 1.010/11.

Or use the troop editor to change it yourself.
 
Ruthven said:
Maybe if you ask nicely Fei Dao will port his "making the rhodoks suck less hard" mod to 1.010/11.

Or use the troop editor to change it yourself.
That's a fun toy.
 
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