Rhodok Nerf = dead

[Kazhul Doran]

In 3 games overall 300 days the rhodok faction has almost been extingiushed.
They got constantly pwned by swadians (took veluca +2 castles) sultanate (2 castles) khergit (1 castle).. and well me 3 castles (i demanded a recaptured castle to be mine and he refused my demand, i took it away and demanded castle estroq for accepting peace with rhodoks.
castle maras has been recaptured by swadia aswell.

so rhodok has left yalen and jelkala


Why did this happen?
Well rhodoks recived a additonal crossbowman class the veteran therefore it take much longer for the player and the npc to get tier 4 crossbowman... but well rhodok suck on everything else to be honest
with hundreds of tier 4 crossbowman they are kinda ubar in siege defending but now they cant hold their castles and they are not really successfull on recapturing them too.

you may look into this

i ask people to post their expiriences with rhodoks and diplomacy 1.126

 

[Tokashi]

I think Diplomacy does not affect the Rhodok's failures. Its just how the Rhodoks decide to fight the factions at the wrong times.

I am playing Diplomacy + Pike and Blade (made Rhodoks a bit stronger) and they are still ending up with a bloody nose.

Here is Rhodok's diplomacy histroy:

War with Sarranid Sultanate: Jamiche, Almerre and Wayyah were constantly under Siege, first Rhodok and then Sarranid etc.
Rhodok then start a war with Swadia: Now they are against two factions, Swadia made peace with Nords so they could focus on Rhodoks.
Nords declared war against Rhodok: It did not last long but I believe they did enough damage to the Rhodoks.

After 245 days, they have lost:

Veluca, Wayyah, Jamiche and Almerre VS Sarranid
Grunwalder and Ergellon Castle VS Swadia

BUT now Swadia is at war with Vaegir, Khergit Khanate and Rhodoks.
and Rhodoks is only at war with Swadia, so I believe Rhodoks will regain some land.

I think it is not just the Mod's changes that can cause the outcome of the Rhodoks but their way of picking a fight with the wrong factions at the wrong time.

If you want to play with Rhodoks, then you should try Pike and Blade with Diplomacy. The only thing that Pike and Blade offers are improved troops and some rebalanced horses. Rhodoks are very strong there, my Vaegir army got his ass whiped by the Rhodoks. It is already merged with the latest Diplomacy update and you do not have to start a new game if you played with Diplomacy Native only, you can just go on with the merged files ( just make a save game backup just incase)

Here is the page for the Pike and Blade download:
http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,110114.285.html

 

[Count Edmundus]

In my campaign the Rhodoks are the most successful faction. We took 4 Castles and Shariz from the Sarranids in one campaign! Its actually what the marshall is up to. When a marshall is lazy and holding feasts or just patrolling around his castle then they will lose. Also how dumb the king is. If the king declares many wars then they will get pwnt too. 

 

[Kazhul Doran]

Well maybe they are just stupid, i recognized that their marshall is just with 5 other lords and the rest is sitting in jelkalla 4 a feast

 

[Tokashi]

In my campaign the Rhodoks are the most successful faction. We took 4 Castles and Shariz from the Sarranids in one campaign! Its actually what the marshall is up to. When a marshall is lazy and holding feasts or just patrolling around his castle then they will lose. Also how dumb the king is. If the king declares many wars then they will get pwnt too. 

yeah, unlucky for you if Rhodoks keeps on failing with stupid leaders

 

[Tokashi]

Well maybe they are just stupid, i recognized that their marshall is just with 5 other lords and the rest is sitting in jelkalla 4 a feast

Some lords rarely get out of their castles if they constantly getting their asses kicked.

 

[Folkzweise]

rhodoks where in all my games weak. in 3 games after only 40 days they had lost veluca to swadia
and this were native and CC plays. so nothing to blame diplomacy. maybe they get a tweak from TW in the next patch since they have remade their towns in the last patch.

 

[reallybigjohnson]

its all about whos fighting who.  in my game the rhodocks are sitting pretty while the swadians are getting it on with the nords, rhodocks, khergit and briefly the veagirs, all at once.    they are still at war with the rhoddocks and nords and its been like that forever.  thank god that the nords and sarranids are at war otherwise this would be impossible.

i have two castles vindycourt and harling both of which i have had to recapture a few times cause the rhodocks keep taking them over.  i wish there was a way to request a fief from the king that wasnt right along the border.

 

[Eagle2Eye]

In my recent game which I'm up to about 250ish days i think, rhodoks still have all their land except 1 castle which i took. My kingdom (swadia) went to war with all 5 other factions at same time luckily my Marshall isn't lazy and responds to all the sieges.

 

[Monglor]

It does seem a bit like the Rhodoks are, putting it bluntly, cack. I mean maybe I'm missing something (as this is the first time I've joined them) but their choice for recruits to become Sergeants (decent infantry but not brilliant) and crossbowmen (better in hand to hand than archers, but not brilliant either) seems to make them really weak. Maybe I am missing something but they just seem to have no serious elite options. Which means you're basically trying to make do by having as many of their mostly second rate troops as possible. It's kind of fun, but it's been hard work fighting the Sarranids.

 

[vergol]

It does seem a bit like the Rhodoks are, putting it bluntly, cack.

Putting it "bluntly" is right.  Has anyone else noticed that the vast majority of the Rhodok melee infantry use blunt weapons?

Jeremus left my party for a while, leaving me without a good doctor.  I engaged a Rhodok war party and and about 90% of my casualties were wounded, not dead.  That's without a decent surgeon.

Those Rhodoks like their hammers.  This seems to leave a lot of their enemies alive to fight another day, while they themselves have trouble replacing losses.

 

[Tokashi]

It does seem a bit like the Rhodoks are, putting it bluntly, cack.

Putting it "bluntly" is right.  Has anyone else noticed that the vast majority of the Rhodok melee infantry use blunt weapons?

Jeremus left my party for a while, leaving me without a good doctor.  I engaged a Rhodok war party and and about 90% of my casualties were wounded, not dead.  That's without a decent surgeon.

Those Rhodoks like their hammers.  This seems to leave a lot of their enemies alive to fight another day, while they themselves have trouble replacing losses.

That might be the big problem, I did not think of that lol. nice one

 

[Monglor]

It's hard to say for sure without having seen the battle, but I can imagine a lot of Rhodok low end troops using their spears in the overhead club attack could account for that, and I think there is a chance that Sergeants can have a blunt weapon. I've had times, especially when I'm using an army that isn't fully up to speed, that I'll have a ridonkulous number of prisoners, which again suggests the lads aren't being especially ruthless or using their pointy things. It's a good spot though from Vergol, because though it's sometimes hard to spot it's a huge difference on the campaign, essentially the difference between an army being fit for battle within a couple of days or completely smashed.

 

[Iceciro]

That's actually the reason I recruit them though... prisoners are a good source of income.  Mayhaps they do it too often for the AI to be intelligent with them, though...

For me the faction that sucks and dies is always the one with the most useless king and marshal though.  The feasting thing needs to be something nations not currently at war do, or at least do much less often. The Swadians were being a monsterous power until they started having constant feasts and the lords figured that was more important than, I dunno, DEFENDING THEIR OWN FIEFS.

 

[Monglor]

Have given it more testing and can confirm that the mid-range Rhodok units are basically riot police. Big shields, blunt weapons, lots of prisoners. Often about 50% of the casualties inflicted. This is obviously a complete disaster for them in the campaign because it massively reduces attrition on the enemy armies they are fighting.

 

[Count Edmundus]

The Sarranids declared war on us Rhodoks. So the Kherghits who were a alliance with us declared war on the Sarranids, Nords who were a alliance with the Khergits declared war on the Sarranids. Vaegirs who just wanted to have fun declared war on the Sarranids. Swadians... A made a defencive pact with the Sarranids. Looks like the Sarranids are messing with the wrong faction hehe.

 

[JunKeteer]

Lol whatever faction the player is in wins. But yeah, I think because the autobattles. Are not as determines by like spear > calvary or something like that. But by a specific...powerpoint given to each unit. So like knights would have more points as to a sergeant. Like more money = more points. so they tally the totals of all the units points to compare vs the others and whoever has more, has that much less losses and that much more chance of winning and stuff.

Like in siege defense for rhodoks, 100 can kill 300. like with me just in it by myself, not even killing anything, just standing in castle, we rhodoks owned like swadians. but once its not with a player involved it goes the opposite way.

 

[Nordmann]

Lol whatever faction the player is in wins.

Generally speaking, this is true.

 

[Count Edmundus]

Lol whatever faction the player is in wins. But yeah, I think because the autobattles. Are not as determines by like spear > calvary or something like that. But by a specific...powerpoint given to each unit. So like knights would have more points as to a sergeant. Like more money = more points. so they tally the totals of all the units points to compare vs the others and whoever has more, has that much less losses and that much more chance of winning and stuff.

Like in siege defense for rhodoks, 100 can kill 300. like with me just in it by myself, not even killing anything, just standing in castle, we rhodoks owned like swadians. but once its not with a player involved it goes the opposite way.

You sir, are right! Agreed.

 

[RenRul]

2 or 3 weeks or so after i started a game with the Rhodoks they took 2 castles, Uxhaul, and Dhirim from the swadians.

i did nothing at all to help them take the places, i was too weak and trying to build troops.

and then out of no were the king gave me Dhirim.

i had a fun time trying to keep it from enemies after that.