[Resistance] Marvel - Mission #5 - It's a wrap! - Spies Win!

[Phonemelter]

Well, MaHuD mentioned that Grimm might not be the best idea. What do people think about that?

 

[Catholic]

It's usually the Spies that go around playing with numbers. It's (when done well!) irrefutable but it doesn't really help anyone. It's a good cover really.

I digress. It's easy for me to lie to you and misinterpret the words you say to make you look suspicious, but I cannot lie about percentages.

@Eternal,
Why do you want Vieira on the team?

No particular reason. I think Grimmend posted something silly with those three and I'm not opposed to any of them.

隐藏: Referring to these posts regarding your first mission

Indeed it is. I think I'll utize the same method as last time, which I was a champion of and won us the game.

You could compete with Whoopin when it comes to ego. Needless to say, I don't like arguments that try to claim trustworthyness by referring to past games.

which I was a champion of and won us the game.

I may be new to this sort of game, but based on my reading of WW and Resistance both, this stinks.

Hulk may be right, but I don't like the way he came out and immediately patted himself on the back. Gaining leverage with past achievements rather than what is going on in a current game is an easy way for a bad guy to try and sneak into a higher standing. I think he shouldn't go on the first mission.

As far as anyone else goes, I'm not sure as of yet (aside from me).

The Vieira thing is really just a hunch/feeling, and nothing even close to solid, I freely admit. Grimm perhaps more useful as you say due to his being the next mission leader.

Amazing hunch off one post. I wish I had such a powerful gut feeling.

Well, MaHuD mentioned that Grimm might not be the best idea. What do people think about that?

I don't know.



I'm content with any team that doesn't have Amontadillo or MaHuD on it.

 

[Catholic]

Here, I'll propose a team.

Xardob, Grimmend, Eternal.

Xardob seems innocent and Grimmend we'd like some information about (again, this "information" word is being thrown around a little too loosely, I feel).

 

[Vieira151]

Well, MaHuD mentioned that Grimm might not be the best idea. What do people think about that?

I think he simplified it. We wouldn't just "reject everything". We'd have to see how many people sabotage the first mission. Then we'd have to gauge reactions on the next day and discuss Grimm's suggestions for the next mission.

Then we might well reject it.

 

[Phonemelter]

The only real advantage it gives (IMO) is that I myself would have a little peace of mind knowing that one person wouldn't screw up the mission, which ultimately only effects me.

Then why not have a stronger opinion about you being on the team? If you are going second, and you know you are innocent, you should put more weight on being in the first group.

Rather you pick a team you trust to succeed rather than one of convenience.  Should it work, I see no problem keeping them next mission.

This almost makes it sound like you are unwilling to go.


Cath's posts about stats bug me a little. Until we have any sort of data, it is almost useless to go on and on about it. Additionally, why switch from thinking Hulk/Grimm/Vieira is a good bet to Grimm/You/Xardob? Isn't putting the first three in good for your calculation, stat man?

 

[Grimmend]

Rather than unwilling, I just saw the reasoning behind nominating me. (Because I'm next leader) as weak.  If we used this kind of reasoning each game, the outcome would rely more on who are the first captains rather than actual work.  Maybe I'm just over thinking it due to the first games' overwhelming victory, but that's how I feel.

 

[HULKSMASH]

I'd like to officially nominate the mission team that I think should go on the mission. This does not mean that we are voting, and this does not mean that the mission team is set in stone.
I will now nominate HULKSMASH, Grimmend, and Nipplemelter.

I've already explained my reasoning for Grimmend, and I'd like to go on the mission myself.
As for nipple, I like what he's been posting so far, and since we don't have much to go on, I'd say he's as good a bet as any.

Everybody, please provide your thoughts on this team, along with whether you'd accept or reject when it comes time to vote.

 

[MaHuD]

Don't bold it or call it nominations please then. It's confusing.
Also I will be rejecting that proposal, I do not want you on the mission team.

 

[Xardob]

If you don't trust Hulk on the mission team, doesn't it make more sense to flat out refuse any team he proposes? If you don't trust him on the mission, how can you trust his nominations?

I'm getting good vibes from Grimm, but I don't want him on the team. If a team that has our next leader gets rejected, for whatever reasons, it gets more difficult to trust his nominations. I don't want to face this problem, if we can avoid it.

I don't want neither Vieira nor Monty on the team, I don't trust them right now.

I still like the idea of me, Hulk and Adaham being the team. MaHuD is also an interesting choice.

 

[Catholic]

Additionally, why switch from thinking Hulk/Grimm/Vieira is a good bet to Grimm/You/Xardob? Isn't putting the first three in good for your calculation, stat man?

The second three is far better in my calculation because I am certain that I am innocent. Also, Xardob doesn't seem at all suspicious to me, while I can't get reads on HULK or Grimm.

 

[CryoNomad]

Accept? Whatever works for me. 

And I agree with Xardob on MaHuD. That's just silly.

 

[MaHuD]

because if hulk is a spy, he wiuldn't choose a second spy for a 3 man mission? If they both sabotage, we could just never takr those 3 players aboard again as we got one spare resistance/mutant player anyway.

 

[Adaham]

Hi guys, after being out of the house yesterday, I've sort of read up. Just giving you my vibes of which people I like more or less.

My gut liked Amontadillo up to the point when he suggested Vieira to be on a team, which I couldn't really get. Still, Amontadillo gives me better vibes than most people. I didn't understand why people wanted Grimmend on the mission when he had barely posted anything to make me trust him.

I like Xardob's proposal of being in a team, except for Hulk being in it. I'd rather have Hulk replaced by either Amontadillo, Nipple or MaHuD. These are also approximately the people, besides myself, that I'd like to go on a mission right now. Maybe ejnomad as well.

 

[Phonemelter]

How about Adaham, Xardob, and myself?

 

[HULKSMASH]

Alright, if there's significant opinion against me being on the team, I will withdraw.

What is the consensus on the team that Nipple suggested? At this point, I think we need to move forward and pass something, instead of debating in circles.
I would be willing to nominate it, although I'm not totally sold on it's merits, Adaham in particular. I think Xardob and Nipple are innocents, but I'm going to need more convincing about Adaham.

 

[Vieira151]

Alright, if there's significant opinion against me being on the team, I will withdraw.

What is the consensus on the team that Nipple suggested? At this point, I think we need to move forward and pass something, instead of debating in circles.
I would be willing to nominate it, although I'm not totally sold on it's merits, Adaham in particular. I think Xardob and Nipple are innocents, but I'm going to need more convincing about Adaham.

I personally think that is even worse. But whatever. How can we be sure of your allegiance if you aren't sure?

 

[MaHuD]

Then how about you just submit a team and let us vote, instead of trying to play the popularist.

 

[HULKSMASH]

Alright, if there's significant opinion against me being on the team, I will withdraw.

What is the consensus on the team that Nipple suggested? At this point, I think we need to move forward and pass something, instead of debating in circles.
I would be willing to nominate it, although I'm not totally sold on it's merits, Adaham in particular. I think Xardob and Nipple are innocents, but I'm going to need more convincing about Adaham.

I personally think that is even worse. But whatever. How can we be sure of your allegiance if you aren't sure?

I think it's more important to get a team passed at all. If I insist on my being on the mission, and then the vote fails, we've accomplished nothing except potentially handing the mission lead to someone who may well be a spy.

 

[Adaham]

I personally think that is even worse. But whatever. How can we be sure of your allegiance if you aren't sure?

I don't think that's what he said. I think he is convinced of himself (or at least he says so), but since the group isn't too fly on his merits, he rather withdraws. That's actually one of the more sensible things he said.

I would be willing to nominate it, although I'm not totally sold on it's merits, Adaham in particular. I think Xardob and Nipple are innocents, but I'm going to need more convincing about Adaham.

Sucking up to Eternal, eh? I have at least given a reason why I don't trust you, but you seem to be just throwing stuff out there and hoping something sticks. Like MaHuD said, you're

trying to play the popularist.

 

[CryoNomad]

Maybe it's because I'm new but honestly I do not get why this is turning into rocket science. We know NOTHING at this point.

Hulk you pick a team, Everyone that's a good guy should be voting for it (because your reasons at this point are stupid personal feelings about other people so get over them and wait for FACTS). The spies will vote no if it has no spies, and they will vote yes if it has 1 spy or more. Day 2 then we got something to work with and the discussion can begin.

Now that I had said this they may try and get smart and vote yes to an all innocent team, but knowing we will just send the same team again they will starting voting no eventually anyway just because no spies are on it and they will be starting to lose so their hand will be forced.

Granted, those people that have reservations about picking next team leaders have some sense. If the team fails we can't trust his team he puts together, but why a glass so half empty? If the team succeeds then Day 2 we can trust whatever team he puts together! Then we are two missions up! If it fails, we also get a leg up because the second team leader could be a spy and it saves us the trouble of losing another mission when he just places a spy on it. For Werewolf players I'm somewhat suggesting this line of thinking is WIFOM. You can look at it both ways so it's not all the helpful in the end. In short just pick a team already Hulk.