[Resistance] Avalon: Minions of Mordred Win!

[JS]

So after all this time, all you have to add is a bit of sarcasm? You've contributed essentially nothing the entire game, so you're either a spy trying to force this team through bull-headedness or just a useless villager/knight. Either way, unless others have something good to say about it, I'll reject that team.

There's nothing to add because we don't know jack **** about anything except that Melter and Grim succeeded the first day.

I checked the leader order and it looks like those of us worth anything are up for the next several missions, so skipping Twinkle shouldn't be an issue right?

Pretty much. I really don't see anything more to add right now. No one's brought up a good argument for even considering Twinkle or Mahud in the team, and Grimmend's apparently not even playing. Unless it's proven there's a spy outside of those three, I don't see that changing either.

How about instead you prove that one of us IS a spy? Really, there's no reason to assume we're any more guilty than you and Aust, or anyone else.

~Twinkle, who will go with his team or no team

 

[Phonemelter]

You can't really "prove" anything at this point in the game, especially since we have only had one mission so far. However, if you think about it, you can conclude that there is at the very least one spy (probably more) out of the three (four, if you want to include me and say "people who rejected the last mission"). The reason why is because only the people who were on the last team voted to pass it. Unless the spies are trying to be needlessly confusing or there was some sort of miscommunication, there is no reason for the votes to have fallen like they did. If there was only one spy on the team, chances are there would be another person who was not on the team (another spy) would have voted for it to have it pass. If there were no spies on the team, chances are the spies would try to make the mission fail (which could have happened). Obviously it is more complicated than that, but you get the idea.

 

[JS]

Oh, I know there's no way to prove it, kinda my point.

Just to clarify what you're saying, you think that based on day one voting, you would assume that either you or Grim are bad guys, due to only two rejectiono of the team? If that is true, you admit they possibly could been have doing some crazy jumble plan to make us think exactly that?

~Twinkle, who is making sure he understands wherected you're coming from

 

[Troll]

Obviously the only way we are getting more proof about anyone role is going through with a mission. What I'm saying is that with what we currently have I don't really see anything that conflicts with my read of the game, and that that's why I'm going to stick with it until there's something that does. So make your team suggestion, but I'm not going along with the one you suggested because it seems both likely to fail and won't tell us **** if it does.

 

[Phonemelter]

@Twinkie:

The first mission is different because chances are no spy is going to fail it - it will typically succeed unless the goal of the spies (given one is on the team) is to create chaos right from the start.

 

[Austupaio]

For one thing, you seem to be convinced that the only way to decide who is and is not a spy is by mission results. It should be quite clear from MaHuD's play why I and Xardob think he's a spy.

 

[Phonemelter]

Me or Twinkie?

 

[Austupaio]

Twinkle, of course.

 

[Phonemelter]

That's what I thought, though I was a bit confused since it was not directed specifically towards him and came after a post from Soot and myself.

 

[MaHuD]

For one thing, you seem to be convinced that the only way to decide who is and is not a spy is by mission results. It should be quite clear from MaHuD's play why I and Xardob think he's a spy.

Because I voted no for your oh so wonderful mission?

 

[Austupaio]

Uh-huh, after failing to provide discussion or alternatives, continuing to do so while team leader and letting the time peter out in a laughable way. You're a spy, and I won't bother arguing it anymore.

 

[Phonemelter]

Yup.

Twinkie - we know you are in favor of Grimm and myself and against Aust, but what do you think of the rest of the players? What is your read right now?

 

[JS]

Home and quite exhausted, you'll have my replies come morning.

~Twinkle, who realizes that he's exhausted an offal lot

 

[Grimmend]

Long overdue post:

The main reasoning for rejecting any team with Aust, Xar, or Soot.  As said by a very member of the three:

To add on I will say that I agree with Soot and Xardob's input where they agreed with each other. Just a big ole circlejerk here.

Since the start of the game these three have been in synch with each other, without any indication as to why.  At first this might seem like Merlin, but the fact that the trust is reciprocated by all three parties to such an extent leads me to believe the far more sinister alternative.

 

[Xardob]

Seriously Grimm? You think the spies would be that obvious?

It's much more likely that the spies have managed to divide themselves, probably by suspecting each other.

 

[Xardob]

A couple thoughts on some players.

MaHuD took the only acceptable course of action by rejecting the last team. He really didn't have a choice. It doesn't mean he's innocent, though. The fact that he didn't make much of an effort to suggest an acceptable team or didn't take a stronger instance regarding Aust points towards him being a spy.

Twinkle is basically on the same boat, though I don't know if he actually thought things that far. I'm still undecided on him, but leaning towards spy. I'd like to see his proposed team before saying more.

I'm reasonably sure Melter and Grimm aren't spies together. No way both of them go on the first team if that was the case. My gut says one of them is a spy, however. I still haven't decided on who, but I'm leaning towards Grimm.

I'm not very worried about Soot or Aust yet. I'd like to see them on missions, and Soot as a team leader, to properly analyze them.

 

[Grimmend]

Pretty much how I read it:

MaHuD: Maybe
Twinkle: Maybe
Grimmend: Maybe
Phonemelter: Maybe
Sootshade & Austupaio: Nope, go somewhere else, these aren't the rebel spies you're looking for.

 

[Xardob]

Pretty much how I read it:

MaHuD: Maybe Likely
Twinkle: Maybe More likely than not
Grimmend: Maybe Either him or Melter
Phonemelter: Maybe Either him or Grimmend
Sootshade & Austupaio: Nope, go somewhere else, these aren't the rebel spies you're looking for.

There, fixed it for you.

 

[MaHuD]

Uh-huh, after failing to provide discussion or alternatives, continuing to do so while team leader and letting the time peter out in a laughable way. You're a spy, and I won't bother arguing it anymore.

I did. Plus lets not forget that I made plenty of posts but barely anyone replied. The reason I did not push myself for the team is also quite obvious. First mission is 2 people. I don't want to go on that mission and have some spy keep me on 50/50
You were going to choose that silly team regardless of what I said and I would be the next leader.
I could not predict people would go quiet once I became the leader and lastly I have not been super active overall as is evident by me missing the deadline. As neither a  spy nor a knight there is no  advantage to missing the deadline. I presume it doesnt count towards rejection and gets you banned for 2 nominations. Which is horrible for both roles really.

I think that you are afraid of successive wins for the knights and are therefor trying to blame me to keep atleast me out and secondly it is being attempted to divide grim and melter. Even if one of them is a spy the only way for people to be so adamant about it is if they KNOW that one of them is a spy or are just desperately trying to pull them apart. Once pulled apart it is easy to make one of them look bad.
One can already see how melter is getting suspicous of grimmend for no reason other than himself not being it.
I say twinkle grim and face is the best team here.
Between Xardob soot and aust I think there are two spies atleast. But its unlikely its all 3 so I will stick with 2 for now. Hm it would fit with them splitting up the first team but it wouldnt make sense to select a 3 spy team though since it was obvious to get rejected.. it wouldnt really matter.  Alternatively aust is the odd man out and just happened to select the other two but they did sort of copy him at the start so that could be manupilation. Just like xardob was led astray last game.
Hm,  I do actually think that this is different so nvm that thought. So that makes xardob soot and aust spies rest of us knights.
Thus once again I am all up for twinkle grimmend and facemelter.
Then after that, it doesn't matter who goes along since it requires 2 fails. So even if I cant be nominated it doesn't really matter.

 

[JS]

Okay, it's not morning, but I'm back and just as exhausted as yesterday, but I owe you all enough to give my thoughts. Take any errors gently, if you please, as an exhausted mind is prone to mistakes.

So just so you understand what I'm thinking --  the only mission we know what happened on is with Grim and Phone. It is entirely likely that one is a spy, although not likely that both are (although a possibility). MY biggest probem with the previous teams, is that they either excluded both members, or one.

I would like to know what the point of taking one and not the other would have done to benefit us and narrow down our possibilities? So say we have three people on a team, for instance, Aust's proposal from earlier. Suppose this mission fails. Have we accomplished anything? Have we narrowed down our suspects? No, it could possibly be Phone, or it could have been Aust, or the Soot, we really didn't do any narrowing. Now what if it succeeds? Well, we could chalk Phone up as a good guy, but it may be that Phone decided to let that one slide in addition to the first mission.

I just see no point in separating them. However, all proof we currently have, regardless of probability, points that both are innocent. It is true that that is a week foundation, for as a bad guy I probably would have let the first mission succeed, but it's better than nothing, which is the point I want to get across. I would like to have both Grim and Phone on this team, along with myself for I am sure of my own innocence.

~Twinkle, who apologizes for the patchy post, but exhaustion kills his ability to think