[Resistance] Avalon: Minions of Mordred Win!
- 主题发起人 Pharaoh Llandy
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Grimmend has called for a vote! To stop the Dandy Highwayman, he would like to see:
• Grimmend
• Phonemelter
Please submit to the host via PM whether you would Support or Reject this team (if you have not already done so)
• Grimmend
• Phonemelter
Please submit to the host via PM whether you would Support or Reject this team (if you have not already done so)
Quest 1 - Team 1 Votes
Team Lineup:
• Grimmend
• Phonemelter
Outcome
Quest team approved!
The Quest team has been approved and the quest is in progress. Posting may begin again!
Team Lineup:
• Grimmend
• Phonemelter
| Grimmend | | | | Approve |
| Austupaio | | | | Reject |
| MaHuD | | | | Approve |
| Twinkle | | | | Approve |
| Xardob | | | | Reject |
| SootShade | | | | Approve |
| Phonemelter | | | | Approve |
Outcome
Quest team approved!
The Quest team has been approved and the quest is in progress. Posting may begin again!
Austupaio
Duke
Uh, I guess if this is your idea of an actual team nomination.
I just ignored it as more joking around, so no I'm still not really happy with it to be honest. Oh well, let's see how the quest went.
Regardless of it's outcome, I'm thinking of myself and maybe Xardob.
If successful, I may use Grimmend or Melter as a third.
If unsuccessful, I may use Sootshade.
Grimmend 说:Just for that, I think you should come with me on the quest.Phonemelter 说:I don't think I want to see Grimm's "shrubbery."
I just ignored it as more joking around, so no I'm still not really happy with it to be honest. Oh well, let's see how the quest went.
Regardless of it's outcome, I'm thinking of myself and maybe Xardob.
If successful, I may use Grimmend or Melter as a third.
If unsuccessful, I may use Sootshade.
I personally have no idea what kind of discussion is even possible before the first vote at least (mostly because this is my first time playing), but perhaps you could clarify that now, since you didn't before the vote even though there was plenty of time?Austupaio 说:
Or were you just hurried to assure everyone that you had a legitimate reason for rejecting that isn't related to you being a spy?
Austupaio
Duke
We could have discussed who would even go on the team, as Xardob, yourself and I were doing. While he did make say he was taking Melter, I didn't even read that as anything other than a joke, so to me, him assembling the team with Melter came out of no where.
I did 'vote' I said I would like a team with you in it.
Hurried? Not really in any hurry, I'm sitting at work on a night when all the bars and clubs closed early, watching YouTube so I'm pretty happy to get back into this as soon as I saw Llandy opened it.
Further, I don't see how people rejecting teams make them a spy, that's stupid.
I'm just don't really know what kind of basis we could decide the first team on, beyond the fact that I would obviously prefer being on there myself. To me it seemed like no one else was taking much initiative on that either, so I thought we might as well go ahead with the suggestion.
My point wasn't exactly about you rejecting, it just seemed weird that you felt the need to clarify your reason for rejecting right away. My closest comparison for this game is WW, where I think that kind of behaviour would be most characteristic of a wolf trying to explain away their previous strange behaviour. I don't really know if rejecting the team there would be strange here, though.
My point wasn't exactly about you rejecting, it just seemed weird that you felt the need to clarify your reason for rejecting right away. My closest comparison for this game is WW, where I think that kind of behaviour would be most characteristic of a wolf trying to explain away their previous strange behaviour. I don't really know if rejecting the team there would be strange here, though.
Austupaio
Duke
Of course there's no real basis, but we could still discuss who we like or don't like, even if it's all gut-feeling. A good example would be that when I requested to be on the team, Xardob pointed out that I would be leader this round and that made him uncomfortable. That was a fair assertion and why I dropped that notion. I then decided I would like you on the team. I decided that based on my desire to have people with initiative on the team, you were the only one other than myself to specifically say, 'Put me on the team, Grimmend.'
I wasn't clarifying why I rejected, I was clarifying my dissatisfaction with the team and how the vote was handled. Sounds similar, I suppose, but I also wanted to see if Xardob would agree or disagree that that is why he rejected. Particulary I just didn't like that, from my mistaken perspective, Melter was put on the team at a point when we were unable to discuss it (due to no posting once the green text comes out) out of the blue.
I think that's true for all of us that we're playing this kinda like we'd play WW, but in that case, I don't buy into the 'Oh no, the sage died!' wolf-tell. Let's not get into the statistical likelihoods of that, though!
As for team rejection, and I say this from my extensive and comprehensive experience of kind of reading MaHuD's game and following Llandy's last, a whole two games, that team rejection isn't really a useful tell, because obviously both sides are going to have players they do and do not want on a team enough to issue a rejection. It's like saying that at the end of the a day of Werewolf, one person with a vote on the second most-voted lynch target is a wolf because they had different ideas as to how to save the town.
What I would say is a wolf-tell is rejecting and then refusing or simply ignoring queries as to why you did so.
Probably an overly long post for this discussion, but I'm okay with that. Please attack me as you see fit. (Sootshade's done worse, anyway.)
I wasn't clarifying why I rejected, I was clarifying my dissatisfaction with the team and how the vote was handled. Sounds similar, I suppose, but I also wanted to see if Xardob would agree or disagree that that is why he rejected. Particulary I just didn't like that, from my mistaken perspective, Melter was put on the team at a point when we were unable to discuss it (due to no posting once the green text comes out) out of the blue.
I think that's true for all of us that we're playing this kinda like we'd play WW, but in that case, I don't buy into the 'Oh no, the sage died!' wolf-tell. Let's not get into the statistical likelihoods of that, though!
As for team rejection, and I say this from my extensive and comprehensive experience of kind of reading MaHuD's game and following Llandy's last, a whole two games, that team rejection isn't really a useful tell, because obviously both sides are going to have players they do and do not want on a team enough to issue a rejection. It's like saying that at the end of the a day of Werewolf, one person with a vote on the second most-voted lynch target is a wolf because they had different ideas as to how to save the town.
What I would say is a wolf-tell is rejecting and then refusing or simply ignoring queries as to why you did so.
Probably an overly long post for this discussion, but I'm okay with that. Please attack me as you see fit. (Sootshade's done worse, anyway.)
Actually team rejecting and approving tells a lot. Except for the first mission and to a lesser extend any mission that doesn't require all of the resistances members to be on the team.
I will point it out at another mission to catch a spy.
For now I am just waiting on the result. Though actually, speaking about xardob not wanting you to go with grimmend could be that he is afraid of a knight landslide. For if the top 3 contain no minions and (wwith some luck) pick only knights like what happened in the first game.
I will point it out at another mission to catch a spy.
For now I am just waiting on the result. Though actually, speaking about xardob not wanting you to go with grimmend could be that he is afraid of a knight landslide. For if the top 3 contain no minions and (wwith some luck) pick only knights like what happened in the first game.
@Aust
No, the longer post is good. This way I at least have something to get started with in this game. Granted, I'm also now itching to quote every bit of your post separately to nitpick.
At this point I like the fact that you are taking some initiative, but that does also make you as pretty much the only one I can really talk about right now.
Yeah, I agree that Xardob made a valid point there, and I did note that you at least put forward your preference. However, I didn't see either of you (and definitely no one else) actually getting anywhere with it. To me it looked like there really wasn't much to say beyond what had been said already, which is why I was surprised that you expressed dislike for the team passing without discussion. You do make a fair point about Grimmend not really stating who he was going to pick, though.
I'm not really talking about any specific wolf tells here. I prefer looking at general behaviour, and in WW I feel like wolves are often motivated to pay attention specifically to their own actions in order to avoid appearing suspicious. Thus they will easily try to explain their previous actions even without prompting from others, if they think they might have done something that could be construed as suspicious. In this case, you might have been wanting to explain away a vote that differs from the majority, so that it wouldn't attract attention to you. Referring to the only other person who is in the same boat could be an attempt to gain support.
Your questioning his pick for the team is fair enough, but I thought there was no reason to bring yourself specifically into it. I guess wanting to know Xardob's thoughts could explain it, but I'm also not sure why exactly you would want to focus on that rather than on the people who actually voted differently from you.
No, the longer post is good. This way I at least have something to get started with in this game. Granted, I'm also now itching to quote every bit of your post separately to nitpick.
At this point I like the fact that you are taking some initiative, but that does also make you as pretty much the only one I can really talk about right now.Yeah, I agree that Xardob made a valid point there, and I did note that you at least put forward your preference. However, I didn't see either of you (and definitely no one else) actually getting anywhere with it. To me it looked like there really wasn't much to say beyond what had been said already, which is why I was surprised that you expressed dislike for the team passing without discussion. You do make a fair point about Grimmend not really stating who he was going to pick, though.
I'm not really talking about any specific wolf tells here. I prefer looking at general behaviour, and in WW I feel like wolves are often motivated to pay attention specifically to their own actions in order to avoid appearing suspicious. Thus they will easily try to explain their previous actions even without prompting from others, if they think they might have done something that could be construed as suspicious. In this case, you might have been wanting to explain away a vote that differs from the majority, so that it wouldn't attract attention to you. Referring to the only other person who is in the same boat could be an attempt to gain support.
Your questioning his pick for the team is fair enough, but I thought there was no reason to bring yourself specifically into it. I guess wanting to know Xardob's thoughts could explain it, but I'm also not sure why exactly you would want to focus on that rather than on the people who actually voted differently from you.
What ever happened to:
And you shouldn't a gut that apparently can't handle alcohol.
Xardob 说:
And you shouldn't a gut that apparently can't handle alcohol.
Austupaio 说:
I did make a statement on why it would probably be a good idea, regardless of if Grimm was joking or not, so you could have expressed whether you agreed with the reasoning or not before the official vote started.
