[Research] Odrysian Kingdom (Thracian Union)

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The Odrysian Kingdom was the first of many Thracian Unions, and consisted of most of what is now Bulgaria, from the Black Sea, to the Danube. It encompassed many tribes such as the Odrysian's (go figure) the Getae, and other various independent Thracian Tribes. They combined Hellenistic and "barbarian" warfare together, using the phalanx, but also using heavy and light infantry. They were well known for their cavalry power, as well.

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dion1195

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Thracians, if I read right atleast, used archers from thier german alies. and the Cavalry were mostly Sarmatian alies/mercenaries.

and the Infantry you are showing. the ones with hats(if I am right) are nobles.
Cool Pictures though.
 

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Those officers, dont look like dacian/thracians to me.
the first one is wearing an Ilyian helmet. the 2nd one looks more like a celt to me.

But I could be wrong,
 

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Dion/Folcwar said:
Those officers, dont look like dacian/thracians to me.
the first one is wearing an Ilyian helmet. the 2nd one looks more like a celt to me.

But I could be wrong,
The Thracians had no set military dress codes. What you could buy or loot is what you had.
 

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Dion/Folcwar said:
Those officers, dont look like dacian/thracians to me.
the first one is wearing an Ilyian helmet. the 2nd one looks more like a celt to me.

But I could be wrong,
They're both Dacians (the first pic is even from a Romanian source).
And it's the first time I hear of Germanic allies of the Thracians. Celts - yes, after the Celtic invasion of the Balkans, the two people mixed to some degree. But Germanics - only a few tribes among the Dacians in modern Romania, eventually.
And the Thracians and Dacians had no particular need for "Sarmatian" auxiliaries - they were renowned for their cavalry traditions ever since the times of the chariot (see the Illiad and the Odyssey), especially for their nobility. They even occasionally provided light cavalry troops to their Greek allies. And the Getai were almost a Thraco-Scythian mix, since they were all horse archers, according to Ovid.

Though I agree that, at least among the Thracians (i.e. the more "civilized" and somewhat Hellenized tribes south of the Danube), the javelins were much, much more common than the bow and arrows (after all, the peltast is the most famous type of Thracian soldier).

Here's a basic overview of the Thracian military in the Wiki.

And some pictures:
Several Thracian units in RSII's Macedon preview

Peltasts:












Infantry:
(Though this one looks quite too Conanesque)



http://soga-miniatures.com/index.php?productID=8352&ukey=product&did=34&view=printable





Cavalry:

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(chainmail after Celtic Balkan invasion)
(chain after Celtic invasion, scale perhaps earlier)
(same as above)

Armament:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/rossitza/sets/72157624769256000/ (album with armament, treasures etc)
http://www.seebg.net/Shlemove/ (helms)
http://nauka.bg/forum/index.php?showtopic=9736 (thread with various things)
http://forum.sasr-sila.org/index.php?topic=389.0 (thread with some helms)
(armament)
(helms and swords)
(rhomphaia)
(rhomphaia on a wall)
(Thracian helm, greaves and rhomphaias)
(Thracian helmet type)
(Thracian helmet)
(Thracian helmet, close)
(Thracian helmet)
(helmet)
(helmet)
(helmet)
(Thracian helm)
(Thracian helm)
http://apollon.blog.bg/photos/27883/helm.jpg[img] (Thraco-Roman helm)
[img]http://www.patriotii-moldovei.narod.ru/RU/Istoriya/Frakiitsi/goldhelmet.jpg?rand=231736281046742 (Dacian helmet)
(armour and helm)
(armour)
(armour)
(edit 18-04-2013: helm and linothorax)
(Chalcedean helm, greaves, oval shield)
(greaves decoration)
(greaves)

Dacians:







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Seek n Destroy

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Thanks for the refs, most seem ok but I still have some reservations on some.

And about this one:

That's Phillip's linothorax, I strongly doubt it was made by Thracians.
 

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DarthTaco said:
Hmm. I've seen that image before...in an Osprey book about Scythians. So according to osprey, those two are Scythians. The scalp is Thracian though.  :lol: The cut off part the picture shows a fallen Thracian warrior, which the Scythian scalped.
 

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Oh dear Taco, all those historical accuracy rants you had at me and now you've shot yourself in the foot. :wink:
 

darthtaco123

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Hey Taco was drinking. He had one more night before his Mexican vacation (in which he drank more). I'll begin the process of correcting said historical ****ups right now.
 

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Rigadoon said:
DarthTaco said:
Hmm. I've seen that image before...in an Osprey book about Scythians. So according to osprey, those two are Scythians. The scalp is Thracian though.  :lol: The cut off part the picture shows a fallen Thracian warrior, which the Scythian scalped.
Correct, here is a full image and not a cropped one:
http://****-k.narod.ru/Historical_Arts/Scythian_Warriors/Scythian_Warriors_02.jpg
 
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I was looking at some thracians and i thought why not share it in this thread.

Edit: even more pictures
 

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Nice findings, even if I think Thracians won't be part of the mod any time soon. They are an interesting faction though.
 

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Do you know what book the first 3 pictures are from? The inscriptions are on Bulgarian, but I can't seem to recall seeing it before.