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Adorno said:
Ragnarthefearless said:
FerdiadITA said:
At this time there weren't human sacrifices,and the animals too I believe.
Actually my computer is going to be repaired,so work won't begin for a couple of days,and even then I fear that will be quiet a long work.
actually ritual sacrifice of both humans and animals was reasonably common among pagans around king Alfred's time
Do you have some references on ritual, human sacrifice?
I've never come across evidence of that, so I'm very interested.
do you mean in general, or just in norse/saxon paganism?
 
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Adorno said:
Ragnarthefearless said:
FerdiadITA said:
At this time there weren't human sacrifices,and the animals too I believe.
Actually my computer is going to be repaired,so work won't begin for a couple of days,and even then I fear that will be quiet a long work.
actually ritual sacrifice of both humans and animals was reasonably common among pagans around king Alfred's time
Do you have some references on ritual, human sacrifice?
I've never come across evidence of that, so I'm very interested.
just done about five minutes of wikipedia-based digging. if youre really interested you can follow up on their references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_sacrifice#Sacrifice_by_type_of_offering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_religion#Human_sacrifice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t#Etymology

Their references will have the evidence you want. Also, for those who have read Bernard Cornwall's saxon stories, he does mention books in the historical notes which are where he gets his source material from.
 

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Ragnarthefearless said:
just done about five minutes of wikipedia-based digging. if youre really interested you can follow up on their references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_sacrifice#Sacrifice_by_type_of_offering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_religion#Human_sacrifice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t#Etymology

Their references will have the evidence you want. Also, for those who have read Bernard Cornwall's saxon stories, he does mention books in the historical notes which are where he gets his source material from.
Wow, thanks for the links. You have me convinced  :smile: Got to learn to use Wikipedia some more.
In the history books I have, there's practically nothing mentioned about human sacrifice (only animals).
I was especially struck by this:
"...Swedish King Aun who sacrificed nine of his sons..."  :shock:
 
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Adorno said:
Ragnarthefearless said:
just done about five minutes of wikipedia-based digging. if youre really interested you can follow up on their references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_sacrifice#Sacrifice_by_type_of_offering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_religion#Human_sacrifice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t#Etymology

Their references will have the evidence you want. Also, for those who have read Bernard Cornwall's saxon stories, he does mention books in the historical notes which are where he gets his source material from.
Wow, thanks for the links. You have me convinced  :smile: Got to learn to use Wikipedia some more.
In the history books I have, there's practically nothing mentioned about human sacrifice (only animals).
I was especially struck by this:
"...Swedish King Aun who sacrificed nine of his sons..."   :shock:
Swedes.... :roll:
 
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Don Doggy said:
Adorno said:
Ragnarthefearless said:
just done about five minutes of wikipedia-based digging. if youre really interested you can follow up on their references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ritual_sacrifice#Sacrifice_by_type_of_offering
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandinavian_religion#Human_sacrifice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_at_Uppsala
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bl%C3%B3t#Etymology

Their references will have the evidence you want. Also, for those who have read Bernard Cornwall's saxon stories, he does mention books in the historical notes which are where he gets his source material from.
Wow, thanks for the links. You have me convinced  :smile: Got to learn to use Wikipedia some more.
In the history books I have, there's practically nothing mentioned about human sacrifice (only animals).
I was especially struck by this:
"...Swedish King Aun who sacrificed nine of his sons..."  :shock:
Swedes.... :roll:
lol, indeed. also, if you look before that, back to british druidism, or the aztecs, mayans, incas, or ancient china, you'll find human sacrifice. hell, even neolithic cultures are suspected to have done it at some point
 

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Ragnarthefearless said:
... if you look before that, back to British druidism, or the Aztecs, mayans, Incas, or ancient china, you'll find human sacrifice.
hell, even neolithic cultures are suspected to have done it at some point
Yes, I'm aware that many cultures have human sacrifice,
where especially the Aztecs are infamous for the psychotic use of the ritual,
with the killing of thousands. (!)
I simply hadn't come across any historical evidence of ritual, human sacrifice in the Nordic cultures.
 
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Adorno said:
Ragnarthefearless said:
... if you look before that, back to British druidism, or the Aztecs, mayans, Incas, or ancient china, you'll find human sacrifice.
hell, even neolithic cultures are suspected to have done it at some point
Yes, I'm aware that many cultures have human sacrifice,
where especially the Aztecs are infamous for the psychotic use of the ritual,
with the killing of thousands. (!)
I simply hadn't come across any historical evidence of ritual, human sacrifice in the Nordic cultures.
fair enough, however i find your interest in the subject mildly disturbing lol  :mrgreen:
 
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An ability to renounce all religion would be nice. It would pit people against you, and cause armies of the faithful to spawn and attack you and your territory. It would be like turning the game on "Hard Mode".

If it was in any way possible to have a chance to put you into a scene battle with an assassin while visiting any city, castle, or village, that would also be excellent. Priests with wicked looking daggers could jump you in an alley, or a valiant Knight of the Cross could charge at you in the middle of a village.

It could work like the "Silence the Merchant" quest faction Lords give you.
 

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Gregarion Roseby said:
An ability to renounce all religion would be nice. It would pit people against you, and cause armies of the faithful to spawn and attack you and your territory. It would be like turning the game on "Hard Mode".

If it was in any way possible to have a chance to put you into a scene battle with an assassin while visiting any city, castle, or village, that would also be excellent. Priests with wicked looking daggers could jump you in an alley, or a valiant Knight of the Cross could charge at you in the middle of a village.

It could work like the "Silence the Merchant" quest faction Lords give you.
I like your ideas - and especially the possibility of being attacked while visiting cities, villages etc. would be really nice in native.

But I have to tell you that all progress on this mod has been stopped. Sadly.
 

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I doubt that Nordic religion didn't give it a try at some point, I know I hear about Odin and sometimes Tyr were sacrificed to with human lives but I never really looked in on it. Everyone else did it, Romans have been known to on occasion (last major one I can think of being when they buried a pair of Celts and a pair of Greeks under the market place during the war with Hannibal, people tend to do this things more when its going bad and less when you making a whole empire). Even Christianity and Judiasism, Abraham was ordered to sacrifice his son, and he almost did except God said "give me the goat" at the last minute, clearly that means it was acceptable but got watered down like in most cultures to bull and goat sacrifices and to when we don't really sacrifice anything anymore.
 

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You see the vikings tought the world were a big tree and their branch was "their" world. It was called Midgård on swedish. I can tell you quite much as i am from sweden and i study vikings, or i did.
 

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Antoxi said:
You see the vikings tought the world were a big tree and their branch was "their" world. It was called Midgård on swedish. I can tell you quite much as i am from sweden and i study vikings, or i did.
for anyone who wants to know more, there is this book called the Edda or Prosa Edda.
it's like the ilias and odysee(i dont know if that translates) by homeros, only it's about the Norse/viking gods.  :grin:
sad that so much of the viking literature got ''lost'' in christain hands :sad: 
but maybe thats what makes it interesting.  makes me wonder how we will be remembered in a 1000/1500 years...:razz:
 

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Antoxi said:
You see the vikings tought the world were a big tree and their branch was "their" world. It was called Midgård on swedish. I can tell you quite much as i am from sweden and i study vikings, or i did.
Yeah, im also swedish, and the vikings werent Christian,but they had a  "Christianization" later in the viking ages.