Religion Thread

With which religion do you identify?

  • Protestant Christianity

    选票: 24 6.6%
  • Catholic Christianity

    选票: 32 8.8%
  • Other Christianity

    选票: 21 5.8%
  • Sunni Islam

    选票: 39 10.7%
  • Shia Islam

    选票: 2 0.5%
  • Other Islam

    选票: 7 1.9%
  • Judaism

    选票: 3 0.8%
  • Hinduism

    选票: 2 0.5%
  • Jainism

    选票: 0 0.0%
  • Sikhism

    选票: 2 0.5%
  • Paganism

    选票: 16 4.4%
  • Confucianism

    选票: 0 0.0%
  • Shintoism

    选票: 0 0.0%
  • Other Traditional Religion

    选票: 1 0.3%
  • Pantheism

    选票: 1 0.3%
  • Agnosticism

    选票: 30 8.2%
  • Non-religious, but spirituality in some form.

    选票: 17 4.7%
  • Atheism

    选票: 119 32.7%
  • Other

    选票: 10 2.7%
  • Taoism

    选票: 1 0.3%
  • Buddhism

    选票: 2 0.5%
  • Terrible at Werewolf

    选票: 35 9.6%

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I find it fascinating that you all equate religion with guilt.

I believe what I believe. I believe that to KNOW there is a god is impossible, but I choose to have faith that the deity exists. Much of religion is foolishness, yes, but it is a necessary foolishness.
 
Currently, formerly, and forseeably Jewish. Conservative Jew, inclusive of all, most certainly not creationist.

Judaism leaves a lot of room for personal beliefs. Theologically, I guess I'd be agnostic, but I'm a practicing Jew. Go to synagogue nearly every week, volunteer reading Torah for said services, active in youth group where most guys are about the same, maybe less  observant as me. Both parents are scientists. Dad's active in the anti-creationism debates trying to keep it out of public schools. Went to a Jewish Day school till 8th grade, good for cultural, religious, and language education, however it emphasized core academics as well. Now I attend a public fine arts high school which is a good blend of beliefs and opinions (mostly non-religious), as a Math/Science major I'm pretty well set in my views.

Religion has its uses, good for teaching a certain message, bringing people together, but care must be taken not to let it stray too far into the secular world, or let it influence harmful decisions. Also proselytizing pisses me the **** off.
 
Began in a Dutch Reformed church (Calvinist) church in New Jersey, but the question of where Cain's wife came from was never answered to my satisfaction, so today I identify most closely with paganism.
 
We're sharing stories now?

Well, I was raised in a somewhat religious family. I went to catholic school when I was little, got offended when people talked badly about jesus and all the standard stuff. Then as I started using the internet I became more and more informed about the bible and whatnot, so in the end I stopped believing in the silly book and called myself a deist.

I didn't stop believing in god until my mother was taken to the hospital and died later that day... While my dad and I were on our way to church to pray for her to get better... My line of thought was that even if god existed, he is just a giant **** anyway, so there's really not much point in worshiping him.

Sometimes I get flak for it, but most people tend to understand. Plus it's just great when random beggars give me blessings and recite bible verses.  :lol:
 
I was raised in a non-religious, non-spiritual household and I can't remember any of my childhood friends talking about religion much in a serious way - I think my best friends were pretty much Atheists even in primary school. My extended family are mostly atheists (or non-fluffy agnostics). My grandparents go to church and seem less sarcastic and flippant than the rest of us, but I think that's more cultural than anything. I was probably somewhat scornful of religion and "spirituality" throughout my life, though less so in recent years. I still think almost all religious and "spiritual" claims are silly, but I try not to be a dickhead about it and I don't think religion deserves special attention as far as widely-held-and-stupid opinions go.

I like this thread.
 
Quick note to the posters so far, there isn't a difference between "agnostic atheist" and "atheist". They're both atheists in the same degree (the only degree possible), it's just that adding the term "agnostic" is more descriptive of the position held than simply stating the uber-general "atheist".

I was raised Presbyterian, though it certainly wasn't a die hard religious home. My father didn't attend church (although I had no idea why when I was attending church myself) because of the poor experiences he had going to catholic school and coming from an extremely catholic family. I never really consciously thought about the fact that he didn't attend church with the rest of us, it's just kind of the way it was, but this was important because I knew at least at some level that some people didn't go. I did believe that God created everything and that Adam and Eve really existed because that's what I was told, and I was young enough that school hadn't yet taught me anything that would contradict such nonsense. Believing what adults told me was pretty much my only means of learning, and I saw little difference between the adults at Sunday school and the adults at elementary school.

I was never very focused on religion, believing that God was a real thing was just part of my life, not really any different from believing that plants grew, the sun rose through the forest on the east side of my house, or that my dad drove a Subaru. God wasn't an optional belief or something to question, but neither was it something in need of questioning or defense. It just was real. I even remember thinking that I felt his presence, especially in church.

I remember quite well the day that I made my mother confirm my suspicions, and tell me the truth about Santa, the Easter Bunny and "all the rest of them" (as I'm pretty sure I put it). I had begun to understand that not all of the stories we're told about the way the world is are fact. Most are just as fictional as the fairy tales I had known were just stories. I would remember feeling the same way about biblical stories a number of years later.

My school studies progressed, somewhere along the way I was confirmed to my church, and somewhere along the way I stopped going to church. It wasn't odd, it was just what my dad had done my whole life. I was going to school an hour away from home, and I was doing extracurricular music studies in addition to school and sports. There wasn't time for much else. It's tough to remember what you didn't think about, but I'm pretty sure there was a period of time where I just didn't think about God at all. School had advanced enough that I was beginning to encounter real explanations for things. These weren't stories. I was only presented demonstrable facts, and reasonable interpretations of them. I began to develop a love for history and strategy and critical analysis. As a result, I gained a pretty decent (for a middle schooler) understanding of how we know things, the consequences of means of discovery and application of knowledge, and I knew how to present this information. Who knew that chess and Magic the Gathering would translate into debates about extraterrestrial life? It was in that very debate (which was not prepared, and rather spontaneous in an literature class of all things) that one student presented the Drake equation to assess the probability of there being life beyond our planet, and his opponent presented the brilliant arguments, "all life must have oxygen to breathe, and there isn't oxygen is space" and, "God made this universe for us, and not anyone else". I remember two things: feeling astonishment that my math class was relevant in my life, and that the two arguments the latter student presented were equally unfounded and stupid.

I was an atheist before I had even heard the term.

I didn't know that I should identify as an atheist until much later. I'm not sure entirely when, but it was near the end of high school or the beginning of college. I had heard vague stories about people battling the teaching of evolution, but I payed them little heed. It wasn't until one of those "deep" conversations new college buddies have in the middle of the night that I thought I should apply some critical thought and research into what all the hubbub around this issue was. Funnily enough, it was around that time that I began posting on TW, and soon after that, I was posting in the old Evolution vs Creation thread. With my passion for debate driving my research, and the internet at my fingertips, I gained a full understanding of what atheism actually is, and better fleshed out my own position on these questions. Thanks to Arch I began to follow Hitchens and Dawkins, and thanks to Uther I spent hours on youtube listening to TBS, dasamericanatheist, and everyone their channels led me to.

And now we're here. And I'm writing the scripts for four videos, which may not go up for months. :lol:

My dad, who I didn't really talk about religion with until recently, has fallen in love with Sam Harris and (just the other day) Hitchens. My mother has always been more "spiritual", and claims that she only took me and my sister to church because she felt that it was important to know about "that stuff". I don't really believe that, but she is grudgingly reading The End of Faith, and grudgingly agreeing with most of what she's read so far. We'll see what she says when she finishes.

Holy **** that was long.
 
I've never had any need or desire for anything spiritual or religious in my life. Both of my parents are atheists and afaik if they have any spiritual beliefs or suspicions they are probably pretty minor (I've haven't talked to them about it). While as much as I strongly doubt that any kind of real god exists (which I can't prove) what can proven is that  the majority of gods people do and have worshiped are complete bull**** (and sometimes the religion's own holy book(s) themselves reveal a lot of bull****).

However, I don't really care what people worship and/or believe as long as it does not harm others, the planet/environment, affects government policy and that they don't make a big deal out of it. I know a few people and friends who are religious (or were raised to be and have never said they were atheists or anything really) and they mostly kept it to themselves, one of them even often came to and enjoyed parties even though he doesn't drink or do drugs (he made a great designated driver though!).

Most of my close and good friends are atheists, although afaik most of their parents made at least some attempt to take them to church (to varying degrees) and stuff but they rejected it while growing up. I generally assume (if I even think about it) that most people I meet are not religious until I am shown otherwise, although if someone is strongly religious it is usually pretty easy to find out after a short time. I have absolutely no idea how religious (if at all) any of my survive (or dead) grandparents and other relatives are/were either, as it has never come up.
 
Ambalon 说:
Because the thought of the ending of my existence (and the uncertainty of what happens in the real world after) terrifies me.
This is what makes me, sometimes, wish I had been raised in some faith with some idea of what happens after death. I can't stand the idea of "that was nice, have a good portion of nothing at all ever again" and especially if I got thinking too deep about that (just before sleeping) that idea was just maddening, because my father has been dead since I was nine and I don't want to think that there is nothing left of him except memory and a few items.

That said, I can't bring myself to worship anything; I don't think I can ever follow a religion. Should it be necessary I can pretend to, but I will forever doubt any deity's existence, forever think there is no higher power. I was not raised in any faith; I have no faith. My parents were not religious and as far as I know my grandparents weren't either, though my most-recently-deceased-grandfather, my mother's father, has claimed multiple times to be 'cheerfully orthodox' which strikes me as slightly odd because orthodoxy is not common in Frisia at all, not even in the Netherlands as a whole. Anyway, even he was slightly religious-y at best even though he's pretty much a 'submarine Christian' like Paula so poetically described. :razz:
Quite some relatives of his wife are still diehard Christians, afaIk, though, but I don't really know them.


@Magorian, the counter-arguments against Drake's equation in your class were stupid, but isn't Drake's equation incredibly flawed itself? I mean I can understand, and ascribe to, the idea that 'everything is so ****ing big that we just can't be the only sapients' but Drake tries to be much more precise than that, no? The equation seems much too simple to me.
 
Fleeing from the post your past trend, what do you guys know about raising a child focusing on the facts and science and all the cool stuff, but having almost everyone but the parents being religious people?

I'd have to advise everyone to not "educate" my son like people do or I'd have to hide him away?

P.S.: Hypothetical son.
 
To be honest, if I had religious brothers and if I had a child but was not religious myself I don't think they'd even try to impose their religion on my child. That stuff is for the parents to teach.
 
If you don't actively practise religion with your kids the chances that they grow up to non-religious adults themselves is pretty good I'd say.

Hiding away never did anyone any good.
So yeah, if you feel they're trying to teach your kid 'dangerous' stuff, tell them to back off. Your right as a parent to indoctrinate and mess up your child the way you want to. :smile:
 
Headmaster 说:
Fleeing from the post your past trend, what do you guys know about raising a child focusing on the facts and science and all the cool stuff, but having almost everyone but the parents being religious people?
Just teach the kid to look for reasons and to be critical. Criticism is what science comes from anyway I reckon - it's the seed of all the other important things like non-authoritarianism, skepticism, anti-dogmatism and so on.

Hopefully reason would be a strong contributor to their beliefs, rather than just peer-pressure or exposure or whatever. I mean a world where everyone trusted "science" because that's all they were exposed to would kind of suck if you ask me.

Edit: Also, a critical approach is self-justifying and self-correcting, unlike the other crap the child might get exposed to, so it would have that advantage even against heavy exposures to dumbness.
 
FrisianDude 说:
@Magorian, the counter-arguments against Drake's equation in your class were stupid, but isn't Drake's equation incredibly flawed itself? I mean I can understand, and ascribe to, the idea that 'everything is so ****ing big that we just can't be the only sapients' but Drake tries to be much more precise than that, no? The equation seems much too simple to me.

There's nothing wrong with the equation itself, only our ability to provide accurate estimations of certain the probability for certain variables. The equation is not meant to be "right" per se, but rather the best estimation we can give. The nice thing is, the more we learn about the universe, the more accurate all that data becomes, and we can simply re-work the equation in light of that.

I think that the most compelling thing about the equation to me is that it has been used to calculate the probability of intelligent life occuring in our galaxy, and according to our best estimations, the chance that there is life elsewhere is pretty high. But that is just our galaxy. When we take the rest of the universe into consideration...
 
Raised by a not very religious Muslim family.
Never really been religious myself, and never really believed in god other than during select few moments in my childhood.

Now I'm a solid irreligious atheist.
 
@Headmaster - That is a tough problem around here, especially since most adult people I know can grudgingly accept my disbelief, but also think that religion is very important while raising a child. My mom being one of those. On the other hand, I don't really want to educate my child as an atheist, since I want him/her to choose and get to the atheist conclusion by itself. But can I really stop the teachers and relatives from indoctrinating it?

In the other end of the spectrum, my sister is probably going to have a child before I do. Since they are religious(though very mellow with my choice), they will probably teach some religious "values" and "facts" to it. And sooner or later the kid will be old enough to see I don't agree with my sister and brother-in-law about religion, and will ask me what I believe. And then what? Do I tell it? If h e becomes an atheist, will my sister get pissed? Like it or not, disagreement about beliefs can be somewhat of a rift between parents and children.

It's very complicated. Even my "let's raise the kid in a belief-neutral ambient" is very criticized by my parents. And almost everyone else.
 
That's awful Wolfhead. Maybe move somewhere else?

As to people worrying about death - don't worry, when your brain dies, it's over. You won't have to worry about existence or anything. As of people who have passed before us, the memories of them IS the way they live on with us.
 
Well, we don't know that. We just have very good reason to think that. :razz:

It doesn't really bother me. I'm not sure why, but I'll spend some time thinking about it so I can share an opinion  that might be useful.
 
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