Relations

[IamDuddits]

I haven't really seen much on relations with lords so I thought I'd post, but has anyone noticed a difference between the different "status" that you can have?

From what I've seen so far the progression is something like:

Indifferent: -4 - 4
Cooperative: 5 - 14
Welcoming: 15 - 24
Favorable: 25 - 34
Supportive: 35 - 44
Friendly: 45 - 59
Gracious: 60+

I don't actually know if there is anything beyond Gracious (I'm assuming it's the top because it deviated from the 10 rank change).  I know obviously if you are looking to get elected as Marshall this is useful, or if you are trying to pull people over for the rebellion, but I mean for the most part I think once you get into the Favorable region the only thing I've notice that changes is a Lord will pop up as your friend in you Character Report once you get 45+ relations with him.  Although I am not positive, I think that your relation with a Lord gives you a Disposition boost with his fiefs.  I've been noticing fiefs that I was once at negative relations with (from Lord quests) are now positive with me even though I haven't done any quests for them.  I've pretty much been just focusing on Lord quests trying to work my way up the ladder.  Through this process I've noticed that there's a ton of ways to earn favor with Lords incredibly quick. 

I'm hoping they take this a little further because I find it kind of fun to watch Lords progressively like you more.

Also has anyone noticed if Relations with Lords from opposing factions mean anything?  Right now I have Lords from factions I'm at war with that are Favorable toward me.  I haven't noticed if it makes them less likely to attack you because generally every opposing army runs away from me unless they have me horribly out numbered. 

Any input would be appreciated.

 

[Gilrain]

I've had a relationsjip of 90+ with a lord and I can't for the life of me recall what it was, although it wasn't gracious.  I also got at 98, 99 and above, relationships that said things like "Sargoth is vengeful of you".  Never thought anything of it at the time, but really should have posted it as a bug.

 

[IamDuddits]

Do you know if opposing Lords can choose to not take you prisoner, kind of like how we can.  That'd make relations with opposing Lords a little more useful.  Right now the only point of not taking the Lord captive is the Honor bonus.  I've been pretty much just trying to get the different ratings up as high as I can to see what impacts they have.  Like I haven't asked the King to be a vassal yet (I'm still just an enlisted Merc), but I haven't really noticed any impact from relations.  I'm Favorable with the king right now, he's listed as a friend in my Character Report, and I have a 60 relation with the faction.  We are currently at war with all the other factions and that makes it pretty easy to get your relations up.  You get a ton of points just for aiding them in a losing battle or rescuing them when they are prisoners (you get like +7 with them, +2 with the faction, honor, and +2 with Lords that like them).

 

[Gilrain]

When I've lost to opposing lords they have always taken me prisoner, so I don't know if they ever let you go free.  When you don't take an opposing lord captive, your relations go up with him as well as honour, although the next time you meet him you do have a chance that he took offence at you releasing him and a large drop in relations tkaes place (I had a lord that I had released dropped from +9 to -1 next time I met).

Friends tend to appear somewhere around or after 20 relationships.

the only time I have found relations to be effective is when you rebel.  The higher your relation with a lord gives you a better chance of 'converting' him.

 

[Triosta]

I think it was Endearing.

 

[Gilrain]

I think it was Endearing.

That sounds somewhat familiar.  Cheers

 

[Triosta]

I got Lady Seomis to around 96 relations. Can you steal a lord's wife?

 

[schmendict]

When I aided the Rhodok claimant to the throne, at 99 relation it gave me "He is vengeful towards you.". I take over an entire area for him and he gives me this? Pah!

 

[Gilrain]

I got Lady Seomis to around 96 relations. Can you steal a lord's wife?

Nah, just give her a good seeing to behind his throne

When I aided the Rhodok claimant to the throne, at 99 relation it gave me "He is vengeful towards you.". I take over an entire area for him and he gives me this? Pah!

Yeah, I got that, but it kept changing.

 

[IamDuddits]

Yea I know you get relations with the Lord if you don't take them captive, what I meant though was the Honor is the only meaningful thing at the moment.  The relations with an opposing Lord seems to be useless unless it has such a subtle impact that simply don't notice (for example, they might be running away from us out of respect (High relations) rather than out of fear (badass army)). 

I really like the whole Marshall elections.  It reminds me of the Papal elections from Medieval 2: TW.  And as it was mentioned, relations is really only useful for Marshall elections and Rebellions. 

 

[Gilrain]

Yea I know you get relations with the Lord if you don't take them captive, what I meant though was the Honor is the only meaningful thing at the moment. 

Yeah, but honour has no value in the game as yet.

I really like the whole Marshall elections.  It reminds me of the Papal elections from Medieval 2: TW.  And as it was mentioned, relations is really only useful for Marshall elections and Rebellions. 

True.  Although I must admit I've never played the same game long enough to get to the stage where I'm chosen for the Marshall's position, hence the reason I start so many rebellions.

 

[Temujin]

Seeing as there is Honour, there should eb dread too, that would be cool, Dread could make parties run away from you even if they outnumber you, or make them surrender, because theya re afraid they'll all be put to the sword and tortured or something.

 

[macethump]

The quickest way I've found to get good relations is helping them in battle.  Most quests, etc. give you a few points, but helping in a battle that's already started, especially if they're outnumbered, can give 7 or 8 or more.  I've taken to waiting for my following allied lords to attack first, then joining the battle.  Lots of good relations that way.  But while I was occupied elsewhere, one of my allied lords (relation 9) got beat by some Nord ne'er-do-wells, and immediately went Vaegir on me, taking his castle and village with him.  Now I can't even get it back, since our rebel faction is not at war with the Vaegirs.

 

[Gilrain]

Seeing as there is Honour, there should eb dread too, that would be cool, Dread could make parties run away from you even if they outnumber you, or make them surrender, because theya re afraid they'll all be put to the sword and tortured or something.

Now that is MTW2!!  Although I agree.

But while I was occupied elsewhere, one of my allied lords (relation 9) got beat by some Nord ne'er-do-wells, and immediately went Vaegir on me, taking his castle and village with him.  Now I can't even get it back, since our rebel faction is not at war with the Vaegirs.

Never had that happen to me yet....but there is time!

 

[IamDuddits]

Honor has an effect on predispositions.  For example, I haven't been able to do a single quest for the Ladies, they still haven't been offered.  Yet somehow I have a disposition of 27ish with one and -3 with another.  My honor is currently in the mid 80s.  The way I see it certain Lords and Ladys like/dislike honorable deeds and honorable lords.  You can often see this when you rescue a Lord from a battle or captivity.  Most lords will give you a +2 to relations next time you talk to them, complimenting you on your deed; however, there are a few that I have noticed will almost always say something like: "you should've let them take the beating" and you get no relation boost.  These people also tend to have a negative disposition toward me even though I've never done anything to provoke it (failed quests etc.).  I'm not sure if the bonuses you get are proportional to the honor you have, or if their are any other bonuses from it, but you do get some interesting effects from lords.  Hopefully it'll serve another purpose besides that. 

 

[Gilrain]

The "you shouldn't have let them take the beating" message doesn't appear (at least to me) to be affected by honour or relations.  It seems to tie in more with the NPC relations type.  Some lords like others and some don't.  It may be something for kaeldragor (or someone else with enough time ) to do next.  Compare lords relationships with each other.  I don't know if these relationships are permanent or change with each new game though...

 

[IamDuddits]

I'm pretty sure honor gives a predisposition.  As for the friends of Lords thing, I knew it was in there but I never thought I'd have such obvious proof now.  I was looking at my relations with all the Lords in my faction trying to figure out who I'm in good with.  My faction (Nords) has 20 Lords and the King (21).  My relations break down perfectly into 3 catergories of 7 each.  7 are Indifferent (-4 to 4); 7 are Cooperative (5 to 14); and 7 are 20+.  I guess I haven't been helping somebodies friends enough .

Also the reason I figured that certain Lords react differently to the honor is because I've noticed that certain Lords will almost exclusive ask you to do the more evil quests: Kill a merchant, follow a spy, meet their spy; and in some cases I've seen a quest where the King wanted me to plant a fake letter frame an enemy lord, I denied the quest and I gained honor at the cost of my relation with the king.  On the other hand there are lords that will almost exclusively ask you the more honorable quests: Prisoner exchange, Lord exchange, Debt Recovery etc. 

I tend not to do the evil quests and therefore I think there these 3 groups that my lords have split into represent the 3 alignments: Good, Neutral, Evil.  This is just an educated interpretation. 

 

[Gilrain]

It's a good interpretation. 

I think it may be worth while to start posting what the lords are like so that players have some knowledge.  Whether that be in this thread or a new one I don't know

 

[Shik]

It's a good interpretation. 

I think it may be worth while to start posting what the lords are like so that players have some knowledge.  Whether that be in this thread or a new one I don't know

I believe lord personality is randomized for each game. In one person's game a lord may have a different personality than another game.

 

[Gilrain]

I believe lord personality is randomized for each game. In one person's game a lord may have a different personality than another game.

Cheers Fei Dao, that stops any proposed threads.  I might test it out just to see.