Reformed Christians?

[Moose!]

Why?

Lets just say he has a bit of a reputation around here.

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

Why?

Lets just say he has a bit of a reputation around here.

How could Jacob the apostle have a bad reputation here? Can you give me some links? A clue? Neverheless thanks for the advice anyway.

Because he can't do perspective and there are no leces

Can you explain it better? I can not understand your point. Deep thanks in advance.

 

[Captured Joe]

He is a big bulli who keeps pestering me about pens

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

He is a big bulli who keeps pestering me about pens

As long as I know Jacob the apostle died centuries ago. Is this a joke or am I just misunderstanding all of you?

 

[Captured Joe]

Both.

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

Both.

I did not consider that. What a nice surprise.

 

[rebelsquirrell]

P1 Jesus is the final sacrifice that atones for sins.

P2 Ezekiel's future temple will have sacrifices that successfully atone for sins.

C1 Christianity is false

Fight me in IRL

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

P1 Jesus is the final sacrifice that atones for sins.

P2 Ezekiel's future temple will have sacrifices that successfully atone for sins.

C1 Christianity is false

Fight me in IRL

C 2 Jesus is that temple. He is those sacrifices. John 2,21

 

[rebelsquirrell]

P1 Jesus is the final sacrifice that atones for sins.

P2 Ezekiel's future temple will have sacrifices that successfully atone for sins.

C1 Christianity is false

Fight me in IRL

C 2 Jesus is that temple. He is those sacrifices. John 2,21

Nope, Ezekiel is told to tell them about the temple so they can build it.

"And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, that is, its whole design; and make known to them as well all its statutes and its whole design and all its laws, and write it down in their sight, so that they may observe all its laws and all its statutes and carry them out." 43:11

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

P1 Jesus is the final sacrifice that atones for sins.

P2 Ezekiel's future temple will have sacrifices that successfully atone for sins.

C1 Christianity is false

Fight me in IRL

C 2 Jesus is that temple. He is those sacrifices. John 2,21

Nope, Ezekiel is told to tell them about the temple so they can build it.

"And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, that is, its whole design; and make known to them as well all its statutes and its whole design and all its laws, and write it down in their sight, so that they may observe all its laws and all its statutes and carry them out." 43:11

He is talking about the second Temple of Jerusalem 515 a.C. - 70 d.C. and the ideology that then prevailed during its existence. He ususes certain words to encourage and to restore the hopes of his exiled countrymen.

 

[rebelsquirrell]

Ezekiel temple is far to massive to have been Solomon's or Zerubbabele's  temple

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Edit: Also his instructions for how to worship there differ from the law's of Moses so its not simply a new temple to carry on as before.

In fact it states only the son's of zadok have the right to do the most holy work and the other levites are only aloud to do the monkey work

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

Ezekiel temple is far to massive to have been Solomon's or Zerubbabele's  temple

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Maybe he just used hyperboles to encourage his exiled countrymen.

 

[rebelsquirrell]

Nah, remember God told him to tell the jews about both the desighn and the new laws so that they could follow the new laws properly, so the design must be literal

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

Nah, remember God told him to tell the jews about both the desighn and the new laws so that they could follow the new laws properly, so the design must be literal

The kingdom of Jerusalem after the second exile was destroyed and depopulated, they could not afford something like that even under Solomon ( which existence is yet to be proved ) or during their best period. Maybe it is the third temple, I know that Israel want to rebuild it.

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

If Christianity is false what is true?

 

[rebelsquirrell]

Nah, remember God told him to tell the jews about both the desighn and the new laws so that they could follow the new laws properly, so the design must be literal

The kingdom of Jerusalem after the second exile was destroyed and depopulated, they could not afford something like that even under Solomon ( which existence is yet to be proved ) or during their best period. Maybe it is the third temple, I know that Israel want to rebuild it.

Who says they would need to buy all the materials.

God's got magic in his arsenal so arguing

P1 Ezekiel's temple is not logistically practical

C1 Therefore its not likely this is a future temple

doesn't make a lot sense.

The crossing the red sea was logistically impractical, so was fighting Jericho, so was Hezekiah defeating the Assyrians.

Im not seeing a good reason provided to believe that a temple that's explicitly stated that its supposed to be literally and has unique laws associated with it isn't supposed to be built literally.

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

Nah, remember God told him to tell the jews about both the desighn and the new laws so that they could follow the new laws properly, so the design must be literal

The kingdom of Jerusalem after the second exile was destroyed and depopulated, they could not afford something like that even under Solomon ( which existence is yet to be proved ) or during their best period. Maybe it is the third temple, I know that Israel want to rebuild it.

Who says they would need to buy all the materials.

God's got magic in his arsenal so arguing

P1 Ezekiel's temple is not logistically practical

C1 Therefore its not likely this is a future temple

doesn't make a lot sense.

The crossing the red sea was logistically impractical, so was fighting Jericho, so was Hezekiah defeating the Assyrians.

Im not seeing a good reason provided to believe that a temple that's explicitly stated that its supposed to be literally and has unique laws associated with it isn't supposed to be built literally.

Jericho had no walls and was a simple village of tents during the X century a.C.
You can not read the Bible as a fundamentalist. Nor it is an history book. Minimum storicum, maximum theologicum. I do not like the apologetic position, so do you have any proposals? A pars construens?

 

[rebelsquirrell]

If Christianity is false what is true?

Well if we assume Xtianity is false but some of what was said was true then some kind Judaism or Noahidism would follow.

I wouldn't bank on them though.

The Old Testament is has very clear examples of magic explanations for events that don't fit the expected narrative.

Josiah was saw as pretty much the best king ever "Before him there was no king like him, who turned to the Lord with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his might, according to all the Law of Moses, nor did any like him arise after him."


Yet he gets killed and Judah subjugated as a result of his actions

His death is blamed on two things

His grandpa

" Still the Lord did not turn from the burning of his great wrath, by which his anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked him. 27 And the Lord said, “I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and I will cast off this city that I have chosen, Jerusalem, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.”

And his failure to listen to God's word from the mouth a hostile foreigner who was literally marching a army through his lands and said "Yo dawg god told me march past your cities we have no beef pinky promise."

"He did not listen to the words of Neco (Egyptian king) from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 23 And the archers shot King Josiah. And the king said to his servants, “Take me away, for I am badly wounded.”"

The bible is not credible bruh

Edit: your  not a fundy then,  so you have absolutely no reason too come to the conclusion that the bible is real.

No evidence that from natural history could lead you to the conclusion that this stuff happened.

 

[Dago Wolfrider]

If Christianity is false what is true?

Well if we assume Xtianity is false but some of what was said was true then some kind Judaism or Noahidism would follow.

I wouldn't bank on them though.

The Old Testament is has very clear examples of magic explanations for events that don't fit the expected narrative.

Josiah was saw as pretty much the best king ever "Before him there was no king like him, who turned to the Lord with all his heart and with all his soul and with all his might, according to all the Law of Moses, nor did any like him arise after him."


Yet he gets killed and Judah subjugated as a result of his actions

His death is blamed on two things

His grandpa

" Still the Lord did not turn from the burning of his great wrath, by which his anger was kindled against Judah, because of all the provocations with which Manasseh had provoked him. 27 And the Lord said, “I will remove Judah also out of my sight, as I have removed Israel, and I will cast off this city that I have chosen, Jerusalem, and the house of which I said, My name shall be there.”

And his failure to listen to God's word from the mouth a hostile foreigner who was literally marching a army through his lands and said "Yo dawg god told me march past your cities we have no beef pinky promise."

"He did not listen to the words of Neco (Egyptian king) from the mouth of God, but came to fight in the plain of Megiddo. 23 And the archers shot King Josiah. And the king said to his servants, “Take me away, for I am badly wounded.”"

The bible is not credible bruh

Edit: your  not a fundy then,  so you have absolutely no reason too come to the conclusion that the bible is real.

No evidence that from natural history could lead you to the conclusion that this stuff happened.

There are many extra biblical documents that prove that you are wrong: Mesha Stele or Tel Dan Stele, just to quote two examples. Therefore there is a small part of historical facts ( minumum storicum ), but the purpose of the Bible is not to tell us how real events happened ( maximium theologicum ). You had better reread my posts, do I look like a fundamentalist to you? The bible is theologically true, not always historically though. The ones who wrote it were human after all.

 

[Magorian Aximand]

If Christianity is false what is true?

Much of what is true is true regardless of the truth or falsity of the claims of Christianity. You're going to have to be more specific in your question.