"RED_sweet_siege_servers" is Tercios, back from the dead

[Greedalicious]

I think its important for people to understand that we dont want servers to go down just because they`re in competition with us. We`ve been in competition with very popular servers like ZHG since day one, and still belive competition is a good thing. It breeds inovation which benefits everyone.

What we do have a problem with is taking assets like maps, renaming them and taking credit for it without authorization from the creator. Its not only bad for the map creator but its also bad for the community as a whole. Why bother spending this much time creating a great map when everyone and their mothers can copy it without effort. Theres no legal obligation as far as I know, but its common courtesy.

Wolfpack continues to work on our mod to make it as good as possible,and we`re always open to suggestions on how to improve it. It doesnt suit everyone, and thats fine, there are plenty of servers to pick and choose from.

 

[Golradir]

As a solution to this problem i can advise wolfpack or gk to start more casual europe server. Wolfpack can just adjust their setting to be more casual. Put there what made gst so special and the problem will be solved.

How are the wolfpack den and siege server not casual?

agree server is more casual player oriented cause of starting money, but I played there and it is really interesting expirience not only for casual player, for example possibility to use top tier equipment appeals to me, since i cant do it on wolfpack server. On wolfpack siege server you need to be really skillful or lucky to get enough money, but it is so easy to lost them, i think it is bad design flaw since top tier equipment is almost not used. Have to admit i really like wolfpack after they disabled freindly fire.

It's tip-tier armour for a reason, genius.

 

[Knight of the Rose]

Dear taleworlds community!
I'm the head-administrator of russian Sweet server project. Recently we've started a new siege server with RED servers project because there were no russian siege servers and we wanted to glad them with a new server. I don't know much about sieges and asked for help with installation Vseslav (head-admin of RED project) and he gave me a piece of advice about the settings for the siege and maps. I can't make any statements now because Vseslav is currently offline. But one thing that i can say that we didn't expect to make such a mess and just wanted to make a good server for russian people. Our project has a quite good reputation in Russia for more than a year as battle, duel and nirecotive mod server. We are using my ownly modified Madmin called Vishnya Admin Tools on all our server except of nirecotive. If these maps turn stolen I'll remove them. For now, please write me the names of ur maps (Names we use on our server).
I'll write further info ASAP.

Thank you buddy,  for being reasonable and explaining the situation.  Are you using steam?  I would be happy to work this out with you and give you a list of the maps which are private. 

If not,  I would be glad to discuss it in PM here. 


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I think what Greed said sums it all up.  We do not want to stop fair competition.  GK has competed with several long standing servers like 22nd/Wolfpack siege for over 3 years now and this has driven innovation and very well designed works.

 

[jeckfromshadow]

I really don't get the point of these messages. You think that the server should've been allowed to run with stolen maps, just because you like it? You really give a bad name for yourself.

i think shutting down server was not justified, let them run their damn server with stolen maps, if your server is competitive enough people will come back. Shutting down rivals server creates really bad precedent, it could be temptative for server owners to shut down competetor servers instead of to compete with them.

unfortunatelly there are little what GK could do to stop using their maps, but enforcing server to shut down is red line.

also there are third party of this battle - players. It looks like you striked both gst and simple players by shutting down server, they have nothing to do with gk maps, but they did hurt.

to generalize all this thoughts - it will hurt community more in long term, then benefit from implementing such methods.

 

[Golradir]

Yea, because we all need a crappy server with 3k gold settings and stolen maps.

 

[Alene]

to generalize all this thoughts - it will hurt community more in long term, then benefit from implementing such methods.

I don't think so. That's the argument for piracy as well; everything should be public content. Unfortunately this is not how the world works. If the maps are being stolen for use in other servers than what they're permitted for by the author, the author might stop making those maps. Whose benefit would that be?

 

[Knight of the Rose]

I really don't get the point of these messages. You think that the server should've been allowed to run with stolen maps, just because you like it? You really give a bad name for yourself.

i think shutting down server was not justified, let them run their damn server with stolen maps, if your server is competitive enough people will come back. Shutting down rivals server creates really bad precedent, it could be temptative for server owners to shut down competetor servers instead of to compete with them.

unfortunatelly there are little what GK could do to stop using their maps, but enforcing server to shut down is red line.

also there are third party of this battle - players. It looks like you striked both gst and simple players by shutting down server, they have nothing to do with gk maps, but they did hurt.

to generalize all this thoughts - it will hurt community more in long term, then benefit from implementing such methods.

The point has been made already,  and so has yours.  No need to reiterate it over and over.

 

[jeckfromshadow]

Yea, because we all need a crappy server with 3k gold settings and stolen maps.

me and 100+ players who plays there dont agree with you

If the maps are being stolen for use in other servers than what they're permitted for by the author, the author might stop making those maps. Whose benefit would that be?

making its harder for people to mod by introducing artficial obstacles wont benefit anyone either

 

[Stuboi0]

The truth is, YOU claim that to get all the armour you either get lucky or you are skillful...

Personally I think YOU just suck...

222 slots? Hmm I wonder where you got that idea from. I'll tell you. The old 22nd Siege which we then had permission to hold the files etc... Can your server even cope? Doubt it...

 

[Shemaforash]

You have to think about this too, Russians have maybe 150 ping on US servers, maybe it's not fair to have them play with that unbearable ping everyday. Let them have fun with maybe 6-100 ping now instead, poor eastern russians.

隐藏

lol

 

[Stuboi0]

You have to think about this too, Russians have maybe 150 ping on US servers, maybe it's not fair to have them play with that unbearable ping everyday. Let them have fun with maybe 6-100 ping now instead, poor eastern russians.

隐藏

lol

That isn't the problem! The problem isn't the problem, the problem is that you don't know the problem, savi?

The problem is that they (perhaps aliased Tercio?) have done exactly the same thing. They have ripped off other server files, renamed them and have told us that they'll remove the maps if we can name them... Obviously the name changes will cause a bit of an issue.

I have nothing against them setting up a server IF they set one up with an admin mod and installed default maps, which they can then add more when they have permission from map owners and creators.

 

[Shemaforash]

It's not ****ing Tercio, don't be so narrowminded. Tercio are Spaniards, these guys are Russians.

 

[Stuboi0]

It's not ******** Tercio, don't be so narrowminded. Tercio are Spaniards, these guys are Russians.

That's irrelevant, you preposterous Swedish numbskull... Russian or Spanish, the concept of stealing maps and files without permission is the same.

Note I did say

The problem is that they (perhaps aliased Tercio?)

 

[Golradir]

**** off shema.

 

[Vishnya]

People, be kinder to each other, please. We're in process of removing all maps. All ur maps will be removed by tomorrow morning.

 

[Knight of the Rose]

Vishnya has been very cordial.  I wish there siege server the best and if you happen to make some nice custom maps in the future we are open to map trading

 

[Vishnya]

We've setted up a pack of 15 Open Source Siege Maps. Tomorrow we're going to establish them on our server.

 

[Stuboi0]

This also includes taking the map off - ENTIRELY - Not just off rotation.

 

[Vishnya]

Finally, i've removed all the stolen maps and replaced them with 15 OS ones. I apologize on behalf of the server all those we have touched. Now we can welcome new russian community siege server .