Real-Life DLC or Expansion: Michael the Brave

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I'm all for a Balkan setting DLC as a nice change of pace and opportunity for many gamers to learn a bit of the history about regions other than their own.

However, i just got mad at myself as i realised that in all this Bannerlord EA and the pandemic fuss, i missed the fact that the Tsardoms Total War was released.

Without the wish to undermine the amazing effort the OP has put in his opening,
The previously mentioned mod for Medieval 2 Total War Kingdoms reminded me that THAT is the time period, factions and the map i think could be the most successful scenario for a Balkan setting DLC (if we dare even joke TaleWorlds would do such a DLC in the first place).

It encompasses much more stuff many more people would find being more familiar with and maybe drawn in by those little familiarities, much more than going "full balkan" from the start, if you know what i mean.

For those unaware what i am talking about
 
Words do not spawn material things; actions do. Instead of wasting time on preaching your beliefs, you, the thread poster, should focus on gathering like-minded people in order to create something greater. Topics on the forum get less exposure than elaborate modifications, which serve as a good way to popularize history. Too much ado about nothing.
 

Akfiz

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Words do not spawn material things; actions do. Instead of wasting time on preaching your beliefs, you, the thread poster, should focus on gathering like-minded people in order to create something greater. Topics on the forum get less exposure than elaborate modifications, which serve as a good way to popularize history. Too much ado about nothing.
Words can spawn material things as well, if the developers decide to make a DLC out of this, given the feedback I think that's unlikely but at least the idea was put out there and presented.

90% of my beliefs I apparently preached are not exactly my beliefs but the preconceptions of an ignorant troll. As you said, every nation is rather interested in its own history and actually, any portrayal of a country's history translates into greater profits in that state. That's a reasonable assertion. So yeah, naturally, as a Romanian, I'm interested in the history of Romania and would like to play with a Romanian character.

But I didn't post this just for the sake of it being a Romanian character. I think the prospect of playing as a king trying to unite 3 principalities while effectively being attacked by 3 empires is interesting. By contrast, Dracula is more popular but I don't think playing Dracula would be as interesting as playing Michael the Brave since ultimately there wouldn't be much territorial change, just like in John Hunnyadi's case.

But from "every nation is rather interested in its own history" to "a suggestion about a Romanian ruler in the campaign is clear evidence of Romanian nationalist fervor" is a huge difference. Which is the reason for that whole conversation.

It's a bit ironic how in his quest to debunk the distortion of reality from nationalist fervor he is guilty of his own distortion of reality with the horse lens automatically assuming that everything that comes from a small country must be factually incorrect and exaggerated, because it has to be infused with nationalistic myth.

He doubts the validity of the video arguing that it must have been made by fanboys, arguing that instead, he checked the wiki. Which he didn't because if it did, he would reach the same conclusion as the video:

His denial is quite emotional in nature, without even watching the videos he already tagged me and the videos as nationalist fervor that tries to distort reality and hype their historical figures to create a national myth, because that's what is compatible with his prejudices.

I don't think I was actually preaching anything, rather than debunking his lack of objectivity and even integrity. He made plain arguments about John Hunyadi that were equally valid for Michael the Brave, when I pointed out that it applies to Michael the Brave too, he took this as a clear sign of my nationalistic fervor.

That could be excused as being too narrow-minded rather than lacking integrity, although it does show how much history he seems to know. But then when I told you some actually valid arguments for a John Hunyadi's campaign that wouldn't be applicable to Michael the Brave's campaign, making it a better option from that point of view. He jumped in saying that this is exactly why John Hunyadi is a better option and is clear proof I'm not objective. I mean for real, how desperate you must be? His argument was exactly my argument and this is why I'm not objective. Logic just killed itself.

It just goes to show desperate he is and how little he cares about actual facts and evidence as long as it serves his purpose of 'bashing nationalistic fervor with his all-mighty trailblazers of objectivity'.

I know this discussion had no productivity, but it's a rare occasion to see someone guilty of the same narrow-mindedness he claims to stand against. Some people exaggerate things without question out of nationalist fervor, he depreciate things without question because it has to be nationalist fervor. It's the same lack of objectivity, just in different directions.
 
Words can spawn material things as well, if the developers decide to make a DLC out of this, given the feedback I think that's unlikely but at least the idea was put out there and presented.
The difference in effort between making a post (even a 2000 word one) and making an overhaul mod is a factor of thousands. I say this as someone who's done both.

I think the main problem people have with your post is that it's a ultra-specific request that nobody except you cares about, and it almost comes across as arrogant to insist that you were serious about it rather than just shooting ideas around.
 

Akfiz

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The difference in effort between making a post (even a 2000 word one) and making an overhaul mod is a factor of thousands. I say this as someone who's done both.
I agree.
I think the main problem people have with your post is that it's a ultra-specific request that nobody except you cares about, and it almost comes across as arrogant to insist that you were serious about it rather than just shooting ideas around.
The reason I made the post very specific is that Michael the Brave is an obscure figure and I needed to present why his campaign would be interesting. In handsight, I should have made a shorter summary.
 

Swyter

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This is a fun thread that reminds me of old TaleWorlds. I'm not a history buff, and I have learned a thing or two. So, thanks for that.
 

sifis172

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all i got from this, is that i should watch a documentary about michael the brave.
he seems interesting.
and something to add, the most popular culture in today's world
is west-anglosaxon. so the majority of historic researches, books, docs etc.
are made by that perspective. so Akfiz
don't get angry.
 

Adrivan

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@MadVader @Akfiz

Lol, did this thread just turn into a Hungary vs Romania debate?.... I'm disappointed guys, you can both do better than that.
I'm from Transylvania and never had issues getting along with any hungarian people. We really need to drop this nonsense.
 
@MadVader @Akfiz

Lol, did this thread just turn into a Hungary vs Romania debate?.... I'm disappointed guys, you can both do better than that.
I'm from Transylvania and never had issues getting along with any hungarian people. We really need to drop this nonsense.
Then why I are you not dropping it when everyone else did? Also, you didn't get the point.
 
Concluding, action is more valuable than words. We, players, do not want to spend time on reading; we want to spend time on playing. Making a modification with interwoven historical elements is not a sign of boosting a nation's worthless pride (oftentimes performed by people with conspicuous inferiority complex with respect to their nation's history) as it enriches experience of many. Writing long messages in order to preach one's own beliefs regarding their own country's history might be considered, however, otherwise since its only aim is to impose one's view on their readers; it is deemed by us, players, a display of arrogance.
 

Akfiz

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@MadVader @Akfiz

Lol, did this thread just turn into a Hungary vs Romania debate?.... I'm disappointed guys, you can both do better than that.
I'm from Transylvania and never had issues getting along with any hungarian people. We really need to drop this nonsense.
I'm not the one who started it, but some people can't help themselves.
Concluding, action is more valuable than words. We, players, do not want to spend time on reading; we want to spend time on playing. Making a modification with interwoven historical elements is not a sign of boosting a nation's worthless pride (oftentimes performed by people with conspicuous inferiority complex with respect to their nation's history) as it enriches experience of many. Writing long messages in order to preach one's own beliefs regarding their own country's history might be considered, however, otherwise since its only aim is to impose one's view on their readers; it is deemed by us, players, a display of arrogance.
We, the players, want to spend time reading when we are visiting the forums, and spend time playing when we are starting the game.
If your intention was to spend time playing, I don't think visiting the forum was the way to go.

Did you took writing about my country's history and suggesting a campaign about it as a display of arrogance before or after you said quote "every nation is rather interested in its own history"? Since on one hand, you acknowledge that everybody is interested in their own country's history, on the other hand, you view this very thing as a display of arrogance when convenient. I think the proper term for this behavior is hypocrisy.

Except when one's own beliefs regarding their own country's history are also historical facts. As I told MadVader previously, I didn't made that Michael the Brave's video and the guy who did it wasn't Romanian. It can also be confirmed by information from Wikipedia, which MadVader loves so much. It's simply how it happened, whether you want to accept that or dismiss it as nationalistic myth is your decision.

And I never aimed to impose my view's upon the readers, it's aim, in case it wasn't obvious enough, was to offer a suggestion for a possible Mount&Blade Bannerlords DLC. That some people took this the wrong way due to their inferiority complex isn't my problem.

Concluding, some people are immune to facts.
 
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