Random generation of troop attributes/skills

[Mydienon]

I've read the documentation on Module_Troops.py, and found this:

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Note that, in addition to the attributes and skills you've defined, the troop also gets 1 random attribute point and 1 random skill point per character level.

However, recent testing has proven that troops do not have total attributes = defined attributes + level.  Typically, they have a few more points.

Troops also do not have total skill points = defined skills + level.  Typically, they have a lot less points.

I wasn't able to find any other topic or information on this.  I posted a similar question in the Apprentice Guild here: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php/topic,20514.msg476482.html#msg476482

However, I decided that since this is a game-code question, rather than a game-playing question, it really belongs in The Forge.

Thanks--
Mydienon

 

[rickyduck]

But whats the question? You've only stated some information..

 

[Mydienon]

Er....yes, you're absolutely right...

So, ah, my question is:
How are the attributes and skills generated for troops at a given level? 

Most units have the "common" skills:  riding(1), trade(2), inventory management(2), prisoner management(1), and leadership(1)

Most units have minimum attributes set at Strength(5), Agility(5), Intelligence(4), and Charisma(4)


So, assuming a unit has those skills and those attributes, what happens when the unit is given level 5?  Level 10?  Level 58? 

The documentation states that a Level 10 unit would gain +10 skill points and +10 attribute points, randomly distributed.  But the reality is that units tend to receive a few more attribute points, and a lot less skill points.

Does anyone know what the true formula is for randomly generated troops in .808 Native?

Thanks...

--Mydienon

EDIT: 
I've been testing this, and it looks like all units have total attributes = 20 + level.  This is true for all of the units I've checked (about half of them).  This is also regardless of the number of defined attributes.  For example, if a level 1 unit is set to have STR 10, it will still have total attributes equal to 21.

I don't know what happens if the defined attributes are higher than 20+unit level.  I suspect that the defined attributes are set, and no additional attribute points are randomly distributed.

Also, this is still a theory.  I'm looking for better information, so if anyone can confirm my results, or disprove them, or (of course) provide the true random generation formula, it would be extremely helpful.

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As for skills, my tests show that almost all units have total skill points = 3 + level.  This is true for all of the units I've checked with the exception of the Caravan Master, which has 2 extra skill points.

The Caravan Master has defined skill points higher than 3+unit level.  Caravan Master is level 9; 3+9 = 12 skill points.  Caravan Master has 13 defined skill points. 

I would expect the Caravan Master to have the 13 defined skill point assigned, and no additional skill points randomly distributed.  However, the Caravan Master has a total of 14 skill points.

Again, any information to help clarify my results or provide better information would be appreciated. 

 

[Hellequin]

Did you check the effect of Int (defined, randomly generated, or both) on the skill points?  I thought I had observed at one point, a while back, that the skill points were equal to some constant, plus Int, plus level.  Which was previous to 0.8xx, I think, but that might still explain it if true.

 

[Mydienon]

I did look at INT to see if it had any affect on skill points.  It doesn't.  Both the auto-generated troops and Borcha/Marnid have the same number of skill points regardless of INT.  (Of course, B&M get the advantage of increases to INT once they are under your control).

Only the player's character has total skill points equal to 11 + INT + Level.  Twelve of those skill points are automatically assigned when the character is created, based on the character's background.

--Mydienon


EDIT:  Sorry it took so long for me to respond.  My ISP tends to periodically forget what the 'S' stands for.