Questions on Christianity

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Ask them if it's particularly self centric of themselves to think that an all powerful being would want to lavish its attention on earth humans, if yes, try to go for answers that don't involve holy texts, as those have a tendency to go in circles.

I would also like to know, how a reasonable religious person would tackle the problem the question of our place in the existence of the universe. It doesn't really seem to me that an all powerful would intentionally bring humans into the fold in such relatively frail bodies relative to a universe where even putting a naked human in a mildly harsh place would render such a being incapable of living very long let alone other planets and in space.

Perhaps if one of their driving factors into believing in the Christian sacred texts is for the metaphorical meanings, would they seeing an act of reading other sacred texts an offence to their beliefs? If they assume the compilers of the Bible were doing it in genuine belief that they are doing a good thing, then it has to be also assumed that the other prophets and compilers/writers of the sacred texts belonging to other religions would be also be doing it because they also believe that they are genuinely doing good/God's work.
It's not an invitation or converting effort, but if they are into religion for spiritual purposes only, perhaps they could broaden the horizon and get accounts of God from different sources and perspectives?

Also, the problem of evil is always a good conversational topic, though people who are either incredibly devout or not up to the task of explaining or thinking about the subject would get a little flustered in my experience. Changing the subject with a sex joke is a good way to diverge of that beaten path is it's not going well.

 
I'm going to make a stab at this:


Swadius 说:
Ask them if it's particularly self centric of themselves to think that an all powerful being would want to lavish its attention on earth humans, if yes, try to go for answers that don't involve holy texts, as those have a tendency to go in circles.

God was lonely and he wanted to create something he could love.
I would also like to know, how a reasonable religious person would tackle the problem the question of our place in the existence of the universe. It doesn't really seem to me that an all powerful would intentionally bring humans into the fold in such relatively frail bodies relative to a universe where even putting a naked human in a mildly harsh place would render such a being incapable of living very long let alone other planets and in space.

We have the capacity to clothes ourselves and build shelter.... I'm not really sure the point your trying to make.


Perhaps if one of their driving factors into believing in the Christian sacred texts is for the metaphorical meanings, would they seeing an act of reading other sacred texts an offence to their beliefs? If they assume the compilers of the Bible were doing it in genuine belief that they are doing a good thing, then it has to be also assumed that the other prophets and compilers/writers of the sacred texts belonging to other religions would be also be doing it because they also believe that they are genuinely doing good/God's work.
It's not an invitation or converting effort, but if they are into religion for spiritual purposes only, perhaps they could broaden the horizon and get accounts of God from different sources and perspectives?

There is tons of...selective evidence on why the bible is right, its also a test of faith.
Also, the problem of evil is always a good conversational topic, though people who are either incredibly devout or not up to the task of explaining or thinking about the subject would get a little flustered in my experience. Changing the subject with a sex joke is a good way to diverge of that beaten path is it's not going well.

Without evil their could be no free will.
 
Shatari 说:
Raz 说:
Why would it even bother with humanity in the first place?
Why play the Sims? To watch them die, of course.

It's funny because it's true.
I always like to play Age of Empires like... I create map where I am alone on inaccessible cliff or so. And then I just use marco and polo cheats so I see everything and I watch when comp fights :grin:
And then I tribute stuff to losing side to make war last ever! Muahahahaa....
 
Mage246 说:
Why is Christianity so radically different than Judaism? Why did God suddenly decide to change everything for absolutely no reason at all? Why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent (and frankly, genderless) deity need to father a child, when anything that a child could do, God could have just done on his own?

More so, why squander his one chance of getting it on by maintaining the chick's virginity? What did he do, an airstrike?


 
Who would win in a fight between Lemmy and God?

Also, where do baby dinosaurs come from?
 
pesja 说:
Ask them why their not muslims.

No, really. Ask them on what ground they made the decision that Christianity was the true faith, and not the newer and more updated religion Islam. If they are good responsible people they should atleast have read the Quaran.
Not possible for those of us who don't know Arabic, which is the only official recognized language for the Quaran.  All other translations are "unofficial" and suspect.
 
macethump 说:
pesja 说:
Ask them why their not muslims.

No, really. Ask them on what ground they made the decision that Christianity was the true faith, and not the newer and more updated religion Islam. If they are good responsible people they should atleast have read the Quaran.
Not possible for those of us who don't know Arabic, which is the only official recognized language for the Quaran.  All other translations are "unofficial" and suspect.
Most people are christians before they ever even touch the bible, let alone read it, let alone understand it. The correct answer is of course; they were born into the religion (well there's a chance I am wrong, but usually it's this).
 
Ilex 说:
Most people are christians before they ever even touch the bible, let alone read it, let alone understand it. The correct answer is of course; they were born into the religion (well there's a chance I am wrong, but usually it's this).
Not I.  Raised Catholic, we were actively discouraged from reading the Bible and never even had one in our house.  Then I went through an Eastern religions/mysticism period with occasional atheistic forays.  My "conversion" was relatively recent, after I had read the Bible through completely twice.

"A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education."
— President Theodore Roosevelt

"God cannot give us a happiness and peace apart from Himself, because it is not there.
There is no such thing."
— C. S. Lewis

It was C. S. Lewis that said what makes Christianity different from all other religions is grace.
 
FrisianDude 说:
Raised as catholic but not allowed to read the bible? Your parents are quite cunning then. :lol:
It had nothing to do with my parents.  Back then the Catholic line went something like "we'll tell you what you need to know.  You don't have to read it - your feeble untrained mind wouldn't understand anyways.  Just study your catechism."
 
FrisianDude 说:
Raised as catholic but not allowed to read the bible? Your parents are quite cunning then. :lol:

Actually it has been standard doctrine of the catholic church since the middle ages that 'common' people are not able to understand the bible, and therefore they should let the pastors/priests explain what is in it. The reading of the bible by the common people  is what actually triggered the reformation, since the people came to see that the church had adapted the biblical teachings to their own interests.
 
Ah yeah. I suppose that's true. I just thought you'd have been read the bible at home and at church. Wasn't Martin Luther a monk though? That's not entirely "common people." :razz:
 
No, but Martin Luther translated the bible into german, so that the common people could read it. The church used only latin bibles.
Also, the invention of the book press made books much cheaper, so that more people could afford them and educate themselves.
 
As to the Islam vs Christianity thing, Islam does seem to be much more repressive.

Are they evolutionists or creationists?
 
dekelt 说:
No, but Martin Luther translated the bible into german, so that the common people could read it. The church used only latin bibles.

Ah yes, sorry, forgot about that.

pentagathus 说:
As to the Islam vs Christianity thing, Islam does seem to be much more repressive.

Are they evolutionists or creationists?

Creationists, I'd wager. And well, the Islam was founded in around 680 A.D. if I recall correctly, so their religion is around 1320 years old. When Christianity was 1320 years old, around, let's say 1430 A.D. for ease it was quite a spot more repressive than it is now. Maybe that's what one ought to compare it to? :???:
 
But does that mean they are more likely to be the true faith, or not? Is that evidence for, or against the validity of Islam?

They are just as christians, some are evolutionists, some are not. But I have a vague feeling they are a bit more fundamental than most christians.

Off-topic

Some weeks ago, maybe even months, I read an article about the theory of evolution and how it was embraced in the muslim world. Up until the fall of the Ottoman Empire evolution was not only accepted and taught, many claimed that it was on line with the teaching of Allah, and that it wasn't really new to them, Darwin just presented it in more advanced words and with deeper explainations. But then they went about being all extremist and here we are today.

I don't remember the article very well, but that was the basic idea. Muslims liked Darwin -> muslims wen't bananas -> muslims didn't like Darwin anymore.
 
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