Damn
Sergeant at Arms

So, my problem is: I noticed that looting villages drops your honor rating. AFAIK, it's not like things used to be in native. So right now my honor is like -130 or smth like that, and most of my faction lords hate me ( marshall hates meh strongly : - 60
).
And now I'm worried. As a vassal of Crusader States, I pillaged so much villages so there is no much point in capturing lands of our current enemies - villages hate me. So after opening like 20 dyeworks I was planning to start a new life as a vassal of France (no more pillaging thanks to enterprises), but since my relations with lords got so bad I don't think it's worth it.
I don't really understand the logics behind that - pillaging villages was quite often in medieval ages and wasn't concerned as dishonorable deed. In fact, it was most effective\popular way to deny your opponent food resources and raise your troops morale.
I didn't start this thread to whine mindlessly (especially if devs will explain their thoughts) + I'm not 100% sure if Native doesn't have this problem (haven't played it for ages). Trying to be constructive, I say that implementing honor penalty for pillaging is wrong, coz:
* Gameplay mechanics point:
- Pillaging villages isn't that good by itself due to relationship drop., coz in later game, when you're able to gather a big enough party to conquer lands, you WILL want all villages at least neutral.
- When you pillage one's village, you suffer relationship drop with your potential vassals (in longer term). That's a significant thing as it is, coz if you want to start your own kingdom, you WILL need as much vassals as you can afford. And now with honor penalty working, you lose relationship with both your faction leaders AND your enemy lords. That's kinda imba to me.
- In this mod, where everything (equip and wages) is noticeably expensive, outlaws parties are VERY hard to find and ransom brokers can be VERY rare, completely nerfing already risky income source kinda spoils early game (and later, when your army eats income like nom-nom-nom-bankrupt).
- Not clear\often enough ways to gain honor.
*Historical point
As I already said, pillaging villages wasn't a dishonorable deed. All famous warlords looted numerous villages, but it didn't spoiled their reputation ( not back then nor today).
So what do good people of this mod think about this penalty?
P.S
I'd appreciate a few advises how could I possibly get rid of that "honor debt"? Refusing to take stuff from freed villages and releasing captured lords don't rly work coz these events are relatively rare.
And now I'm worried. As a vassal of Crusader States, I pillaged so much villages so there is no much point in capturing lands of our current enemies - villages hate me. So after opening like 20 dyeworks I was planning to start a new life as a vassal of France (no more pillaging thanks to enterprises), but since my relations with lords got so bad I don't think it's worth it.
I don't really understand the logics behind that - pillaging villages was quite often in medieval ages and wasn't concerned as dishonorable deed. In fact, it was most effective\popular way to deny your opponent food resources and raise your troops morale.
I didn't start this thread to whine mindlessly (especially if devs will explain their thoughts) + I'm not 100% sure if Native doesn't have this problem (haven't played it for ages). Trying to be constructive, I say that implementing honor penalty for pillaging is wrong, coz:
* Gameplay mechanics point:
- Pillaging villages isn't that good by itself due to relationship drop., coz in later game, when you're able to gather a big enough party to conquer lands, you WILL want all villages at least neutral.
- When you pillage one's village, you suffer relationship drop with your potential vassals (in longer term). That's a significant thing as it is, coz if you want to start your own kingdom, you WILL need as much vassals as you can afford. And now with honor penalty working, you lose relationship with both your faction leaders AND your enemy lords. That's kinda imba to me.
- In this mod, where everything (equip and wages) is noticeably expensive, outlaws parties are VERY hard to find and ransom brokers can be VERY rare, completely nerfing already risky income source kinda spoils early game (and later, when your army eats income like nom-nom-nom-bankrupt).
- Not clear\often enough ways to gain honor.
*Historical point
As I already said, pillaging villages wasn't a dishonorable deed. All famous warlords looted numerous villages, but it didn't spoiled their reputation ( not back then nor today).
So what do good people of this mod think about this penalty?
P.S
I'd appreciate a few advises how could I possibly get rid of that "honor debt"? Refusing to take stuff from freed villages and releasing captured lords don't rly work coz these events are relatively rare.