It's not even that, because simulating medieval battles is one of the things this game sucks at the most, thanks to the braindead AI.
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I mean, not really? You can, in the course of totally blind BL run, get to the meat of the game -- massed battles -- in less than ten hours. The first quest (Rebuild your Clan) guides you through exactly what you should do. You can link up with or follow any army and jump into their fights. It isn't like Warband where you could go through a whole playthrough and never once have your marshal's stack collide with an enemy's marshal stack.
The issue is that most people on this forum played Warband as an RPG while TW is focused on massed battles. They have something like four times the devs on missions compared to campaign (RPG) aspects and made it really clear that the campaign stuff was garnish.
Sell his company (or just his IP) to the publisher they've previously left, even.
No thanks, I don't want to trade neverending EA with neverending DLC stream, I actually want the game to be completed at some time, giving it to Paradox completely defeat this purpose.
Also, I want it to be perfected and improved, but not to be morphed into something completely different.
But we don´t get neither as it seems. Paradox usually delivers a good core game and expands it with DLC while TW....I don´t want to get banned
Most Paradox games also support mods. Also Paradox target crowd is not <16 year old...and they are not afraid that their games will be "too complex to enjoy".
Paradox stands for good strategy games. You usually know what you get if you buy one of their games. Also they don´t use the EA excuse to get paying beta testers. Of course their games also have bugs because they are complex but at least they try to fix them and improve the game. They focus also on gameplay not on shiny graphics without any use (Bannerlord scenes).
Paradox is an awful game developer. Their business model and development practices lead to games which are feature bloated, expensive, and still quite boring. The strategy is undistinguishable from that of the Sims, a game made by (gasp) EA. That's not to say I don't like their games, though I find them underwhelming; they just suck as a company.
You´re totally wrong. I don´t think it´s worth the time to explain why you´re wrong.
But one thing, you don´t have to buy each icon pack to get the full "Paradox experience".
I guess you´re the right target audience for Bannerlord though, a shallow game which shines in one aspect.
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D0c1
Knight at Arms
maybe it's worth the time if i agree with him about them being awful and expensive?
it took them so many years to put a crusading mechanic in a crusading game and it was a dlc. and people are saying CK3 is missing much of CK2 feature (maybe they meant dlc features) that it's not worth the jump from 2 to 3.
let's hope that bannerlord won't be the same.
And i'll have to disagree here, CK3 was an almost perfect sequel to me, CK2 accumulated many features over the years thanks to their DLC policy, some were higher quality while others abit lackuster but the game had many features and felt really good and complete (something which bannerlord definitely don't right now)
CK3 took basically everything that was good and remade it better only lacking a very few amount of features from CK2, mostly it was regional flavor accumulated over the years that was trimmed down/streamlined but nothing really major and the game more than compensates for that with the cool new features of it's own.
And about the crusading bit there are you talking about CK2? it launched with a crusading mechanic that worked just fine what came a few years later on a DLC (holy fury) was a complete rework, overhaul of the system to make it much better and more on par with the features added to other religions over the years, the quality from the base game to the DLCs was like a stairway up so some vanilla features felt lacking when compared to the much more detailed DLC features which was one of the reasons they reworked crusades.
It´s nice how you´re trying to claim Paradox to be worse than TW. That´s what good White Knights do!
I bought CK3 (have 1000+ on CK2) on release, with all it´s AI/bugs issues, most of them were that AI armies behaved stupid. Most of them were fixed until today.
Still they have never shown ANY feature in trailers that isn´t the game right now. The game was totally playable since day one with a lot of options! You don´t have to play like 2-3 kingdoms with the same outcome each game. And it has improved a lot. Both game cost like the same.
Just saying...this isn´t all. But yes, they have a lot of DLC (looking at you CK2!). And CK2 still is the best medieval game with complex mechanics if you don´t look for real time mass battles. That´s the only point were Bannerlord is unique until you have to deal with this broken siege AI.
Í can play islamic Ireland as a noob (not recommend) if I want to, not from the start. I have to do a lot of stuff if I want to become Ireland a islamic state and this will have important effects on my ingame enviroment.
If I defeat some kingdom with my armies or with diplomatics or with intrigue it will be weakend for DECADES. There won´t be any "issue" anytime soon, not like this whack whole game as Bannerlord is where I can beat up the same army/lord every 2 minutes on the real time world map.
I can gain titles if I marry "smart" or "kill smart" or "attack smart with my armies". I can become a king if I marry smart or just a douche, but it´s still a title that´s worth it.
Í can grow an "incest" kingdom which will pay me out 100+ years later. I can play "realistic" and try to satisfy my vassals (which I can command with the right laws).
If I start as a tribal "country" like Ireland it will be a different game than starting as a "count" with county X.
The options CK2/3 offers are like unlimited....do I need to go deeper?
My decisions matter....what decision do I take in Bannerlord?
CK3 will be a better game than CK2 soon, and this soon is not like maybe in 1+ year but really soon. And CK2 isn´t a mediocre game, it´s the best this genre has to offer.
I´ve played also a lot of Bannerlord (close to 300hours, maybe not enough to see it´s depth LOL), every playthrough is like the same!
Does it matter if you start your culture as Empire/Khuzait or whatever? Does anything in this game matter at all? Does it matter if you marry a empire lady as Khuzait or a Sturgian lord as Aserai (After you´ve passed the random ingame check)? If you don´t just want to take their armor because you can´t buy it ingame in settlements without mods? Does money matter in Bannerlord if you can just abuse the smithing "system" or become rich if you just fight enough battles which are the same over and over again, versus the same lords over and over again?
F1>F3 if you have a lot of horse archers...hold position on any hill close to your starting position with mostly archer. With mostly infanty, who plays like this? Lol!
Does it matter if your hero has 1 int or 5 int and 3 strenght or 1 strenght?
Does it matter in CK2/3 if you´re "hero" is smart or strong? If you´ve played the game you know the difference.
Good that Bannerlords AI armies are so smart.
But yes, Paradox is bad....
Shall we talk about graphical bugs which make the game to play like impossible and were fixed for 5 times and come back again after the next update? Shall we talk about Paradox listening to their community even if it´s not an EA game?
YES, CK2/3 aren´t the perfect medieval strategy games but they also aren´t a Call of Duty medieval game. Tell me one better medieval strategic game than CK2/3?
IF it´s just about mass medieval OPEN FIELD battles than Bannerlord is the best because there is no competition. If you see the "whole thing" LOL! Shall we talk about Bannerlord sieges?
Not even talking about games like Stellaris/any other Paradox game....that´s WHY paradox isn´t as ****ty as TW.
And you know what...I´ve paid the same money for CK3 as for Bannerlord.
And you wanna tell me that CK (Paradox) is a "bad" game and that Bannerlord (TW) is good? If you just want CoD Medieval I agree, CK (Paradox) can´t compete with it
I bought CK3 (have 1000+ on CK2) on release, with all it´s AI/bugs issues, most of them were that AI armies behaved stupid. Most of them were fixed until today.
Still they have never shown ANY feature in trailers that isn´t the game right now. The game was totally playable since day one with a lot of options! You don´t have to play like 2-3 kingdoms with the same outcome each game. And it has improved a lot. Both game cost like the same.
Just saying...this isn´t all. But yes, they have a lot of DLC (looking at you CK2!). And CK2 still is the best medieval game with complex mechanics if you don´t look for real time mass battles. That´s the only point were Bannerlord is unique until you have to deal with this broken siege AI.
Í can play islamic Ireland as a noob (not recommend) if I want to, not from the start. I have to do a lot of stuff if I want to become Ireland a islamic state and this will have important effects on my ingame enviroment.
If I defeat some kingdom with my armies or with diplomatics or with intrigue it will be weakend for DECADES. There won´t be any "issue" anytime soon, not like this whack whole game as Bannerlord is where I can beat up the same army/lord every 2 minutes on the real time world map.
I can gain titles if I marry "smart" or "kill smart" or "attack smart with my armies". I can become a king if I marry smart or just a douche, but it´s still a title that´s worth it.
Í can grow an "incest" kingdom which will pay me out 100+ years later. I can play "realistic" and try to satisfy my vassals (which I can command with the right laws).
If I start as a tribal "country" like Ireland it will be a different game than starting as a "count" with county X.
The options CK2/3 offers are like unlimited....do I need to go deeper?
My decisions matter....what decision do I take in Bannerlord?
CK3 will be a better game than CK2 soon, and this soon is not like maybe in 1+ year but really soon. And CK2 isn´t a mediocre game, it´s the best this genre has to offer.
I´ve played also a lot of Bannerlord (close to 300hours, maybe not enough to see it´s depth LOL), every playthrough is like the same!
Does it matter if you start your culture as Empire/Khuzait or whatever? Does anything in this game matter at all? Does it matter if you marry a empire lady as Khuzait or a Sturgian lord as Aserai (After you´ve passed the random ingame check)? If you don´t just want to take their armor because you can´t buy it ingame in settlements without mods? Does money matter in Bannerlord if you can just abuse the smithing "system" or become rich if you just fight enough battles which are the same over and over again, versus the same lords over and over again?
F1>F3 if you have a lot of horse archers...hold position on any hill close to your starting position with mostly archer. With mostly infanty, who plays like this? Lol!
Does it matter if your hero has 1 int or 5 int and 3 strenght or 1 strenght?
Does it matter in CK2/3 if you´re "hero" is smart or strong? If you´ve played the game you know the difference.
Good that Bannerlords AI armies are so smart.
But yes, Paradox is bad....
Shall we talk about graphical bugs which make the game to play like impossible and were fixed for 5 times and come back again after the next update? Shall we talk about Paradox listening to their community even if it´s not an EA game?
YES, CK2/3 aren´t the perfect medieval strategy games but they also aren´t a Call of Duty medieval game. Tell me one better medieval strategic game than CK2/3?
IF it´s just about mass medieval OPEN FIELD battles than Bannerlord is the best because there is no competition. If you see the "whole thing" LOL! Shall we talk about Bannerlord sieges?
Not even talking about games like Stellaris/any other Paradox game....that´s WHY paradox isn´t as ****ty as TW.
And you know what...I´ve paid the same money for CK3 as for Bannerlord.
And you wanna tell me that CK (Paradox) is a "bad" game and that Bannerlord (TW) is good? If you just want CoD Medieval I agree, CK (Paradox) can´t compete with it
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What makes paradox a sub-par company with sub-par games isn't necessarily just the DLC (which is truly awful but not the main issue), but that all their recent titles have been simultaneously tediously shallow and frustratingly bloated. EU4, HOI4 and Imperator Augustus are basically glorified cookie clicker games that seem desperate to avoid any dynamic or interconnected mechanics, and while they add new isolated buttons and menus and cooldowns every now and again, the core gameplay is still just 100 variations of click & wait. CK2 is probably the least egregious example of this and their most dynamic modern title by far, but the direction CK3 is going isn't great.
What's more the code in their games is awful and rife with bugs that you encounter in almost every playthrough. HOI4 for example has no business running as slowly as it does, modern CPUs can handle far more than you get in an average paradox game, but because of how poorly and sloppily their games are developed, a game of HOI4 or EU4 is practically unplayable in the lategame.
Saying "they listen to their community" is also really weak praise for any company. It's in their interest to do that, just like having good PR or turning a profit. Any company that fails to do this is straight up dysfunctional, like Taleworlds.
What's more the code in their games is awful and rife with bugs that you encounter in almost every playthrough. HOI4 for example has no business running as slowly as it does, modern CPUs can handle far more than you get in an average paradox game, but because of how poorly and sloppily their games are developed, a game of HOI4 or EU4 is practically unplayable in the lategame.
Saying "they listen to their community" is also really weak praise for any company. It's in their interest to do that, just like having good PR or turning a profit. Any company that fails to do this is straight up dysfunctional, like Taleworlds.
What about the other differences....in which point is TW better?
Also this forum is about Bannerlord not about CK. LOL
I mean you and others claimed that Paradox is worse? And I´m stupid, can you please explain why TW is better than Paradox? Some examples for that claim? Or is it just you beeing a White Knight without any reason? I mean that´s also fine.
So CK has a bad code and Bannerlord coding is fine? LOL!
TW totally has the better sheep textures! We don´t have to talk about that.
Or can you just say "lol" because I´m also very good when it comes down to "lol"? Lol!
Still 98 more than Bannerlord has to offer! lol!
Still better than not listening! lol
In what ****ing aspect is TW better?
Lol!
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I fail to see who you're responding to here. Nobody said paradox is worse than taleworlds.
LOL!
Sure @Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James you don´t say they´re worse, just that Paradox sucks. What´s your opinion about TW then? You know what context means?
In context you say paradox sux, so what about TW?
Lol!
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Actually it isn't that bad at all. Honestly when I think of the scale of what they are doing, I am kind of surprised it is as good as it is. Remember that the AI has to calculate for hundreds of troops all potentially moving independently.
Also I am running a modded AI which actually is much better than the Native AI but honestly it comes at a pretty huge cost in performance. I have a pretty high end rig that cost me about $3200 all told with nothing in it over a year old. Without the modded AI, I can run a modded1500 man battles without a hitch or stutter. With the Modded AI, the larger battle all come with frame drops and stutters and I have had to drop my battle sizes back down to 1000 for decent performance and even at battle size 1000, I still get moments of low FPS and stutter. Also this isn't GPU related because my GPU utilization never goes past 65%, no this is CPU related.
My point here is that rather than the AI being dumb, it might just be dumb because a smart AI would actually be too demanding to run on current tech while still allowing up to 1000 man battles. Resources are finite and something has to give. Honestly maybe it would be best if they dialed down the battle size to a max 400-500, and used those free resources to make the AI better but on the other hand, I know I really love the huge battles and wish they could even get bigger.
Saving this one.
Ah you again. And again, TW won´t rework their engine for players like you who try to expand the limits of their engine. And this make sense, they try to go for the console crowd so...
BTW, how awesome is your PC (specs)? Can you play Warband with 1000 troops? (Battle Sizer mod)
Do you know how engines work? I don´t.
Is your PC worth more than 3000$?
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D0c1
Knight at Arms
point to me where i claimed this. you're seeing ghosts, my dude.
did you forget the release of imperator? and that wasn't an EA.
Don´t remember me of this release desaster please, I´m not sure if it was worse than the Rome II release.
But if we´re down to "What game has the worst release ever" then something is going wrong I guess. Those ships in TTW Rome 2, just running straight through the ground #neverforget
Or even Aliens - Colonial Marines...oh my god! Or even small indie games like this Cyberpunk 2077 (still Game of the Year for so many "critics" - LOL)!
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They made the business savvy decision to capitalize on Warband's success, made grandiose promises and ended up delivering a subpar Warband 1.5 with even worse battle AI. Economically speaking it was probably a good move, short-term at least... but I'm not sure their next venture will fare as good as Bannerlord did. People can be dense, but not *that* dense.
It'd be like buying something in early access from CD PROJEKT RED in 2024 at triple-A price. (Thinking about it, I'm sure that there will be some people doing just that.)
It'd be like buying something in early access from CD PROJEKT RED in 2024 at triple-A price. (Thinking about it, I'm sure that there will be some people doing just that.)
