Question about Players

[eddiemccandless]

Well if we use the US precedent for "Freedom of Speech" then yes, banning an "Adolf Titler" is against "Freedom of Speech".

Case in point, the US Army formed an esports team and began banning internet trolls from posting to their twitter/twitch chat similar to the type of trolls people encounter in Warband. Due to warnings about how this violated the First Amendment from many legal foundations such as the ACLU, I believe they have stopped streaming until they form a more coherent policy on how to deal with such trolls. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ting-first-amendment-offering-fake-giveaways/

The world is round and big, and the First Amendement only exists in the US (and it doesn't even actually mean what you think it means, but that would be going wildly off topic so if you want to go there let's open a new thread in the off topic section). Adolf Titler would be arrested in real life in Germany. TW makes the rules on their servers.

 

[Younes]

Well if we use the US precedent for "Freedom of Speech" then yes, banning an "Adolf Titler" is against "Freedom of Speech".

Case in point, the US Army formed an esports team and began banning internet trolls from posting to their twitter/twitch chat similar to the type of trolls people encounter in Warband. Due to warnings about how this violated the First Amendment from many legal foundations such as the ACLU, I believe they have stopped streaming until they form a more coherent policy on how to deal with such trolls. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...ting-first-amendment-offering-fake-giveaways/

The first Amendment doesn't cover privately owned companies.

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Well if we use the US precedent for "Freedom of Speech" then yes, banning an "Adolf Titler" is against "Freedom of Speech".

This is the equivalent of saying that kicking people out of your house is a violation of freedom of movement, or that jailing rapists is sexual discrimination. High concept ideas like freedom of speech have a relatively low priority in the law and are superceded all the time. If you tried to claim freedom of speech for lying in court, or leaking company secrets, or inciting people to violence, you would get laughed at by any lawyer.

 

[FearSpear]

If you tried to claim freedom of speech for lying in court, or leaking company secrets, or inciting people to violence, you would get laughed at by any lawyer.

And if a cop arrested you for having a name like Adolf Titler the case would be thrown out of court

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Yes, but taleworlds isn't the government, and being banned from a video game server isn't the equivalent to being put in jail.

 

[Alyss]

just don't be a retard and use decent names.

 

[eddiemccandless]

And the problem isn't even his name. The guy was literally asking for money to plan mass murder. Try and say that to a TSA agent in an airport, see how that goes.

 

[FearSpear]

Yes, but taleworlds isn't the government, and being banned from a video game server isn't the equivalent to being put in jail.

Then why are you using legalistic analogies to try and claim a point which you immediately conceded one post later?

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Because freedom of speech is a broad and abstract legal term, that was my whole point. It's silly to use it outside of a very specific legal context. Trying to invoke freedom of speech randomly whenever someone tells you not to say something, or whenever an organisation bans you, is ridiculous.

There is no "freedom of speech" law which allows you to say whatever you want, whenever you want, within any organisation, and without any repercussions, which is what most "free speech" advocates seem to think it is.

 

[Apocal]

Well if we use the US precedent for "Freedom of Speech" then yes, banning an "Adolf Titler" is against "Freedom of Speech".

No, it is not.

 

[Younes]

 

[FearSpear]

No, it is not.

Yes it is. Private companies have the right to not accept all speech but the speech of someone naming himself Adolf Titler is protected under the first amendment as in his "speech" is not considered "hate speech" as there is no such legal definition in the United States.

 

[froggyluv]

Yes it is. Private companies have the right to not accept all speech but the speech of someone naming himself Adolf Titler is protected under the first amendment as in his "speech" is not considered "hate speech" as there is no such legal definition in the United States.

Yo cuz noticed you never responded to being called a neo-Nazi

 

[eddiemccandless]

Yes it is. Private companies have the right to not accept all speech but the speech of someone naming himself Adolf Titler is protected under the first amendment as in his "speech" is not considered "hate speech" as there is no such legal definition in the United States.

Did you actually read the screenshots?

 

[method man]

These are the same people who complain about freedom of speech when a restaurant kicks them out for being racist.

 

[Lizard Wizard]

I didn't expect this thread to go for 5 pages. Hopefully the report system will help tone down some of this behavior.

 

[Younes]

Yes it is. Private companies have the right to not accept all speech but the speech of someone naming himself Adolf Titler is protected under the first amendment as in his "speech" is not considered "hate speech" as there is no such legal definition in the United States.

If you get kicked out because of your ethnicity, race or anything that you can not change, then yes it is under US Law.

You are not forced to name yourself such names ingame.

 

[FearSpear]

Yo cuz noticed you never responded to being called a neo-Nazi

I'm not even white and therefore I will not be giving Canton's white racism a platform by responding to his unfounded allegations

 

[EbdanianAdmiral]

And if a cop arrested you for having a name like Adolf Titler the case would be thrown out of court

Actually. This is partially incorrect. A professional football player tried to change his name to “Hitner” because he had a reputation for being a hard hitter. He wasn’t allowed to because it sounded too close to Hitler. Not the same scenario you are describing, but freedom of speech does not always extend to names in US Law

 

[Younes]

Freedom of speech always has had strings attached to it folks, i might have said too much