Question about Players

[Younes]

This is exactly the same situation and we have arrived at the crux of the point. While laws ebb and flow like the morning tide, if I were a betting man I would wager that these companies are going to lose "platform" immunity for their actions in the US as there is established law precedent for the idea of "companies being held liable for information presented by 3rd party actors" particularly in US copyright law. If YouTube hosts copyrighted material such as a full movie, and they do not swiftly take it down, YouTube as a company will be sued for damages, not the individual who posted it to his channel. Therefore, in my own opinion (which is not to be taken as official legal counsel or advice in any manner) the individuals who seek to hold these social media services as "publishers" and strip them of their "platform" immunities will be successful in their legal quest.

Therefore, it would seem wise to me if I was in the same position of Taleworlds, to offer users the option of self moderation

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(mute button, avoid this user in future games option)

instead of taking it upon themselves to more actively moderate

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(banning people with moderators through report function)

lest they be held accountable for all speech of their users in the future, opening up an undesirable can of legal trouble.

As i said, i am against reporting system in the custom servers side of things.

But having official servers changes this, mostly for the queue. Where there isn't a community to moderate the chat. I believe the community is more then able to deal with people who act badly.

CS:GO has also this system in place except that the devs just don't seem to care about such reports because it is an impossible task to monitor all of the reports. But the system exists nonetheless.

If laws were to be broken, i'm sure Taleworlds would have looked into this during the design of the reporting system. But as of now companies have the power to do whatever they want almost on their platform.

 

[azakhi]

As i said, i am against reporting system in the custom servers side of things.

But having official servers changes this, mostly for the queue. Where there isn't a community to moderate the chat. I believe the community is more then able to deal with people who act badly.

CS:GO has also this system in place except that the devs just don't seem to care about such reports because it is an impossible task to monitor all of the reports. But the system exists nonetheless.

If laws were to be broken, i'm sure Taleworlds would have looked into this during the design of the reporting system. But as of now companies have the power to do whatever they want almost on their platform.

For your information, it is possible to allow custom servers to send their game logs (although with a bit of tweaking to prevent malicious logs) and allow players playing in those servers to report. The system would allow that.
Will it be the case is though another topic and probably way too early to discuss.

 

[Mythicc]

lmao yeah lets make this game even more dead by banning people who are mean!!!!

 

[Younes]

For your information, it is possible to allow custom servers to send their game logs (although with a bit of tweaking to prevent malicious logs) and allow players playing in those servers to report. The system would allow that.
Will it be the case is though another topic and probably way too early to discuss.

I presume the report system would work in part together with a server provided by taleworlds to handle those requests, are these systems hardcoded into the server or can those be altered ?

For example, i report a player on a custom server not hosted by taleworlds, but instead of the information about the report being send to a taleworlds server i presume, there would be a possibility to redirect the report to a custom log report system.

 

[NoCriticismAllowed]

Theres a mute button that works just fine, hate speech isnt even real lmao

 

[azakhi]

I presume the report system would work in part together with a server provided by taleworlds to handle those requests, are these systems hardcoded into the server or can those be altered ?

For example, i report a player on a custom server not hosted by taleworlds, but instead of the information about the report being send to a taleworlds server i presume, there would be a possibility to redirect the report to a custom log report system.

Currently you don't communicate your report to game server in any way. It goes directly from client to Lobby servers. Unless those custom servers require client side mods that would prevent or redirect reporting, they can't control it. However they can choose to not send any game logs.

 

[EbdanianAdmiral]

lmao yeah lets make this game even more dead by banning people who are mean!!!!

there is a difference between being mad on the internet and being a degenerate.

 

[NoCriticismAllowed]

there should definitely be some permanent, easy and accessible way to mute a player for good. recently whats helped me is i switched to an extra absorbant tampon and it has made the experience much better during MP!

 

[Etrepcar]

Definitely agree with FearSpear: Warband MP had a nice mute feature and it worked perfectly fine, you could mute anyone who was annoying, but you weren't banned for doing (unless the mods began a crusade against it). Bannerlord doesn't need a report system. Even Bannerlord has the mute option right now. If this atrocious report feature ever gets implemented, I will be awaiting a cilent where it doesn't exist.

I am getting seriously irritated by all the posts complaining about "racism" this and racism that: Warband was completely fine without the company trying to be an in-game chat police. That certain incident should be a good indication what to expect. It will be funny when this report feature will be the last nail in the coffin labeled "Bannerlord Multiplayer".

Oh well, that what happens when you release it in the age where Twitter hivemind is the one to judge who and what is "racist" and if they should cancel it.

And of course let's not forget about the S****horpe problem. (Ironically, the part the article name is about got censored, illustrating the point that automatically censoring words is not such a good idea further) and there is also a list of banned words in GTA Online (which includes the word "Arya" so sucks for you if you that is your name, want to talk about your favorite GoT character and/or you're talking about the Indian actor)

 

[EbdanianAdmiral]

Definitely agree with FearSpear: Warband MP had a nice mute feature and it worked perfectly fine, you could mute anyone who was annoying, but you weren't banned for doing (unless the mods began a crusade against it). Bannerlord doesn't need a report system. Even Bannerlord has the mute option right now. If this atrocious report feature ever gets implemented, I will be awaiting a cilent where it doesn't exist.

I am getting seriously irritated by all the posts complaining about "racism" this and racism that: Warband was completely fine without the company trying to be an in-game chat police. That certain incident should be a good indication what to expect.

Oh well, that what happens when you market the game to the mainstream audiences and release it in the age where Twitter hivemind is the one to judge who and what is "racist" and if they should cancel it.

It doesnt take an associates degree in philosophy to figure out the guy named Adolf Hitlers Left Nipple who joins the server with the sole intention of trolling both teams need to be removed from the game.

 

[Thrax1]

The unsatisfying mechanics are to blame for the low-player base.

I’d say the mechanics are to blame for good players leaving as most players don’t even understand the problems with the mechanics until they get to be decent. As for the average or new player (in skirmish mode at least) they just get tired of being stomped and having no chance as matchmaking is terrible/non existent. Also the lack of persistent, private and custom servers take away the community aspect which is what made WB survive for all these years.

 

[Etrepcar]

It doesnt take an associates degree in philosophy to figure out the guy named Adolf Hitlers Left Nipple who joins the server with the sole intention of trolling both teams need to be removed from the game.

It also doesn't take an average IQ of 100 to ignore or mute the person named "Adolf Hitlers Left Nipple", unless he/she is teamkilling and/or hindering the progress of the game, I don't see any reason to remove him/her other than someone being offended by a famous Nazi's nipples.

 

[EbdanianAdmiral]

If you think this

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Is behavior that Taleworlds should openly allow on the servers, then we are not having a debate. This is no discourse. No discussion is being had. You are just wrong. Sorry.

 

[Mythicc]

It doesnt take an associates degree in philosophy to figure out the guy named Adolf Hitlers Left Nipple who joins the server with the sole intention of trolling both teams need to be removed from the game.

It honestly stuns me how narrow minded people are. Hurr durr i don't like something ban it1!!!!

In the end this whole thing solves nothing, warbands feature of MUTE works fine. One of the reasons warband survived so long is because of its freedom of choice in every aspect (gameplay+speech). Some servers will have strict rules, some won't, its up to those induvidual server owners to decide. Don't like the rules of one server? Don't play it, theres another one with the ruleset which will satisfy you.

Like this issue affects such a small minority of wimps who can't handle seeing something they don't like, it has literally NOTHING to do with the player base - If the player base really is your ****ing concern right now, then youre looking in the wrong place. The reason is quite simply because the multiplayer and game is just dog**** xD

Stop using the concern of the player base as a façade to push this stupid snowflake agenda its honestly tragic to read...

 

[Mythicc]

If you think this

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Is behavior that Taleworlds should openly allow on the servers, then we are not having a debate. This is no discourse. No discussion is being had. You are just wrong. Sorry.

yeah man just ban them from the entire game bro that'll fix the server population...

Honestly the IQ...

 

[rektasaurus]

I like the ç in facade it shows sophistication.

Tbh I don’t care either way, personally I don’t even mute unless the chat is distracting and in this game the chat box is so tiny.

Report function = good

There’s a fine line between funny troll and bad troll and I think most people would prefer a report button rather than nerdraging disses on their keyboard if/when that line is crossed. Whether that button actually does anything or not honestly doesn’t even matter since I’m sure the response to anything someone doesn’t like will be “reported and muted”. Give it a rest man some people don’t want mos eisely status garbage and that’s a respectable prerogative.

Btw this is coming from someone who has a 2 point warning for a your mom joke. Seriously, it’s okay, report function is good.

 

[EbdanianAdmiral]

If you dont like that your platform for edgy hatespeech is being removed there are better places to go cry about it. The report function is happening no matter how hard a couple edgelords throw **** at the walls. Addition by subtraction for the Mount&Blade Community.

Just to further ruin your parade, pretty much every server host in warband had very strict hate speech rules. It will be the same way in bannerlord because the same hosts are coming back. GK will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. RCC will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. Legion will most likely be hosting servers and they wont allow that garbage. IG will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. The list goes on. You have better places to be degenerate than the Mount&Blade community.

 

[Namakan]

ONeil now already crying before he gets punished for being toxic...oh my

 

[Mythicc]

If you dont like that your platform for edgy hatespeech is being removed there are better places to go cry about it. The report function is happening no matter how hard a couple edgelords throw **** at the walls. Addition by subtraction for the Mount&Blade Community.

Just to further ruin your parade, pretty much every server host in warband had very strict hate speech rules. It will be the same way in bannerlord because the same hosts are coming back. GK will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. RCC will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. Legion will most likely be hosting servers and they wont allow that garbage. IG will be hosting servers and they dont allow that garbage. The list goes on. You have better places to be degenerate than the Mount&Blade community.

We clearly don’t play the same game if you think most warband servers are very strict on ‘hate speech’

 

[Mythicc]

I like the ç in facade it shows sophistication.

Tbh I don’t care either way, personally I don’t even mute unless the chat is distracting and in this game the chat box is so tiny.

Report function = good

There’s a fine line between funny troll and bad troll and I think most people would prefer a report button rather than nerdraging disses on their keyboard if/when that line is crossed. Whether that button actually does anything or not honestly doesn’t even matter since I’m sure the response to anything someone doesn’t like will be “reported and muted”. Give it a rest man some people don’t want mos eisely status garbage and that’s a respectable prerogative.

Btw this is coming from someone who has a 2 point warning for a your mom joke. Seriously, it’s okay, report function is good.

Was a nice dig at the start but you didn’t actually address anything I said, nice tho, can’t lose the argument if you don’t actually address it!!! 300 iq move