Question about dark hunters

[okiN]

Why do all the dark units ride such lousy horses? Cool armor and weapons and all, but as soon as I got some of them into my party, I started ordering them to dismount immediately. Some of them have warhorses, but for the most part they have saddle horses. Shouldn't those be chargers instead?

 

[Nairagorn]

Dark hunters are low-level dark knights. They're just not as good. Their equipment's ok, but their horses are junk (when they have them). Dark knights ride good horses.

 

[okiN]

With dark hunters, I'm referring to the party name. And if you look closely, the actual question is "Why do all the dark units ride such lousy horses?"

As a fact, the most common horse among dark knights is the saddle horse. I want to know why.

 

[Draegath]

possibly to make them beatable by the lower level heros early in the game (thunk: does a game with no end have an 'early' part?)

 

[okiN]

I rather thought the point was that they shouldn't be beatable by lower level heros? That would give immediate access to the best gear in the game, it wouldn't make any sense.

 

[JohnathanStrange]

Why do all the dark units ride such lousy horses? Cool armor and weapons and all, but as soon as I got some of them into my party, I started ordering them to dismount immediately. Some of them have warhorses, but for the most part they have saddle horses. Shouldn't those be chargers instead?

I can come up with a rationalization for their less than stellar mounts: Your Dark Hunter and Dark Knights are presumably former captives and so they ride whatever horse is available when they joined your party. They still have their equipment as it had not yet been sold and they needed only to recover them from the horses' packs.

In battle, I've killed some Dark Knights and taken their horses and so far they've been decent animals like chargers and warhorses. The Dark Hunters though had saddle horses. However, that's based on a small sample of only about 5 horses.

 

[marly]

No...OkiN's right, all the Dark Knights/Hunters ive ever fought have been 90% on saddle horses with the remaining 10% on the odd Warhorse

Their horses suck

 

[JohnathanStrange]

No...OkiN's right, all the Dark Knights/Hunters ive ever fought have been 90% on saddle horses with the remaining 10% on the odd Warhorse

Their horses suck

Actually, the question wasn't whether they ride lousy horses but why they ride them. There's little doubt that their horses aren't the best, which seems at odds with their designation as knights and hunters. Why is that? that's what I was trying to address.

 

[Zadok13]

I spotted that also; it's a question I was going to ask myself...
In my experience they've *all* had saddle horses, nothing better (unless they're hunters [the horses, not the ppl]). That's from a sample of about 5 bands.

 

[Nairagorn]

'Cuz they're bad guys who attack everybody, they can only get horses by stealing them from caravans and such. Saddle horses are more common than warhorses, so there ya go

 

[Kniggit]

If you guys are really observant you will notice that the lower level dark hunters ride all the warhorses while the higher dark knights ride those saddle scum.

Yea, the darkies have horrible horses, probly because they raid farm steads and grab all the horses.......

Ian

 

[okiN]

Kniggit, that's actually not true. Both of them have the occasional warhorse.

 

[Rando]

Why do they need better horses?

They don't need to couch any lances and I don't care who you are, you can't take out 14+ saddle horses before they make it to you. The other thing I've noticed is that A LOT of people complain about how Dark Hunters always attack refugees/farmers. I don't know what kind of peasants yous guys are fighting but the ones I see don't ride warhorses. So, I guess I agree with the whole chargers are harder to loot thing.

I don't know why they all have blacks on though. Maybe they have a BLACKsmith! sorry.

 

[okiN]

Actually, the question wasn't whether they ride lousy horses but why they ride them. There's little doubt that their horses aren't the best, which seems at odds with their designation as knights and hunters. Why is that? that's what I was trying to address.

Nevertheless, your post didn't answer that question satisfactorily, either, since as marly pointed out, they ride crappy horses regardless of whether they're ex-prisoners or not. Logically, they'd have access to any horses they wanted, since they obviously aren't short on money (And even if they were, they could just pillage a ranch or something).

Rando, they need better horses because...

It makes no sense that the most skilled and best-equipped warriors in the game have the second worse horses in the game.

Saddle horses are easy to kill.

Saddle horses are slow.

Saddle horses turn slower than an oil tanker.

Saddle horses have a very weak charge, and instantly rear after charging a group of infantry. The knights then get swarmed, unhorsed and raped. As a result of this, the dark hunter parties are ridiculously easy to defeat. In fact, it makes no sense to kill their horses unless you can kill the riders immediately afterwards (Or with the same blow), since I'd say they're much more dangerous on foot.

Simply put, it's just plain silly. I'd say you should keep the occasional warhorse, but replace all the saddle horses with chargers. That'd make them the fearsome opponents they deserve to be.

 

[Draegath]

perhaps the dark kniggets will all ride greater flaming destriers of armoured mega-doom in the final version of the game! I tell ya what, whatever horses they ride, they will be impossible to stop if they charged in the manner of real heavy cavalry, ie all together.

 

[rout]

I think the Point of dark knights' horses is to get them into the action fast with all that armour on. They are not really equipped to fight from horseback they are better suited to foot-fighting (no lances etc), so they were probably intended to dismount after the initial charge. However, since the AI does not yet use such commands and tactics this does not happen. Yet

 

[okiN]

Deagath, they do charge all together, and their charge still invariably falters right away. The horses matter, big time.

rout, I doubt that. First of all, the horses don't really get them into battle all that fast anyway. Faster than on foot, admittedly, but still. If they were meant to be an infantry unit (Which I sincerely doubt, they're knights, for heaven's sake) they would probably be without horses altogether.

Also, you have a significant advantage when fighting on horseback in this game regardless of what weapon you use (Except maybe for pikes), and the two-handed swords and axes the knights and hunters use are especially well-suited for this task. The morningstars aren't really well-suited for anything, so they don't count. I think you should get rid of them. :S

 

[Maksha]

Riding terrible horses makes them twice as easy to kill, so I'm not complaing

*Counts gold*

 

[okiN]

Yeah, well, that's exactly the reason why I'm complaining.

 

[Nairagorn]

I bet one of our modders could tell you how to change the horses they ride.