Duh said:well managed servers
oh, if only we actually had those
Duh said:well managed servers
I don't think I promised anything in regards to TW. If I did, that would have been a mistake as I am in no position to make such guarantees. What I recall is my recommendation to share your feedback in this thread - which I still believe to be good and beneficial even if TW doesn't actively partake in the discussion. While it is a bit laborious, you can always submit your arguments and inquiries via mail as well and ask TW whether it is alright to share the response you receive from them here.Please keep it a public debate like you promised to.
Stating that a majority thinks this and that equals zero. You talk about our regulars as if you know their opinions which is totally fine, if you are one yourself. Unfortunately, I've never heard of your name and if you haven't heard of me, then I doubt we share the same server and community. But you know what? I will probably make a google form for all the everyone in the discord server to answer.H E R O O F T H E I M P E R I U M said:people here are massively overstating the importance of community-run servers with paywalled features. The vast majority of people who still play Warband do so in a single-player format. And the regulars on any of your paywalled servers couldn't give a single damn about how your servers get penalized - the only people who might suffer are the ones who stand to profit from those servers.
Duh said:Be careful for what you are arguing there. Those may well be concessions that were made in your favor.Ewoksson said:yet
''You are allowed to charge players a flat fee to access your server.''
''Offer reserved slots for donators.''
''Offer in-game custom titles as a reward.''
If this isn't to restrict access to gameplay features ..maybe I need an education in authoritarian values.
Callum_TaleWorlds said:Private Server Monetisation
Private servers are the lifeblood of Mount & Blade multiplayer. Server owners offer a service to the community which brings players together and allows them to enjoy the game in a way in which we as a company are simply unable to. Community events, tournaments, new game modes and custom maps are just some of the ways in which people benefit from the generosity, dedication and hard work of these valued community members, and without them, the multiplayer side of the game would be a lesser experience.
This service often comes at a considerable cost to server owners and administrators. Not just in terms of the time and effort required to provide a quality service, but also with the monetary investment required to maintain a server. We recognise that it is important that server owners are able to raise funds to help with the general costs associated with running a service, however, recently we have noticed that some servers have started to move away from the traditional method of raising funds through donations towards a payment-based method which offers players in-game rewards in exchange for money.
We certainly appreciate the great contribution that server owners make and we believe that it is fair for them to ask for help with upkeep costs, however, we also strongly feel that the game should be enjoyed by all of our players in a fair and inclusive environment, and without them being subjected to any additional costs.
We think that it is time that we set some guidelines for server owners to be clear as to what we consider to be acceptable ways for them to raise funds to maintain their service, in a way which is fair to both server owners and players.
Server Owners
You are allowed to:
• Accept donations
• Charge players a flat fee to access your server (providing you have the explicit permission to use any mods, maps, game modes, intellectual property or any other additional content hosted on your server)
• Offer reserved slots for donators
• Offer out-of-game rewards
• Offer in-game custom titles as a reward
You are not allowed to:
• Restrict access to gameplay features
• Sell any form of in-game content, cosmetic or otherwise (items, perks, skins etc.) via payment or donation rewards
• Sell in-game currency for money (or any other means that facilitate the buying of in-game content through real spending)
Server Hosts
You are allowed to:
• Lease servers which include script-sets (such as administration tools) or modules, custom maps and other modifications, providing that your prices are consistent across servers (with and without game related content) and you have the explicit permission of the content creator to use their creation.
You are not allowed to:
• Lease servers which contain the intellectual property of another person or company without their explicit permission
• Act as a server owner for pay-to-access servers
Permissions
The only accepted methods to prove you have permission to use any assets (mods, maps, game modes, scripts, models, textures, or any other additional content) or intellectual property are:
• Letter (physical or scanned)
• A post or a reported personal message on our official forums
Letters, emails, forum posts or reported personal messages should be from the owner(s) of any assets or intellectual property and they should clearly state that you have their permission to use their creation. Screenshots are not an acceptable form of proof.
Given the complexity of the matter and with this being a new policy, we reserve the right to make any amendments or changes to these rules at any time. Furthermore, we reserve the right to take action against any server which we feel goes against the spirit of the community by attempting to bypass this policy in any way, poor sportsmanship in competition or racist/sexist/etc conduct.
We intend to give server owners and hosts a grace period of one month to bring their servers in line with this new policy, however, after that period is over we will add any server that breaches these terms to our blacklist. (09/06/1
If you have any enquiries regarding this policy or you would like to report a server which is in breach of these terms then please contact us at: [email protected]
Careful in the sense of not ridiculing and/or sarcastically questiniong options that are part of or follow a similar logic to what you want, yes. Otherwise you are just undermining your own cause.Should I be careful so TaleWorlds doesn't restrict those things too?
if we had a reason about the NW cosmetics at least instead of having to theorize about the whys, or if it just was collateral damage for a rule originally made for Native, but Callum stated this weren't the cause thus we're left without a reason.
Duh said:The standpoint of TaleWorlds as I perceive it atm is that they are generally opposed to the sale of anything that may affect gameplay experience.
Awesome! I think this is actually one the best ways to promote your cause - beyond sharing your feedback here. Numbers talk. (Voted + Shared on Modding Discord.)Also, I've done as I promised and created https://petition.nwrp.eu
Steam Fangroups are handled by Steam.You should actually concentrate on fixing your Bannerlord fan group on Steam before you try to fix what's not broken, but since Slovak has 70.000 plebs under his command it makes it very hard because they are future revenue thus he's very powerful and untouchable
Scandypandy said:How has this even gone on so much without the developers clearing anything up? They make a thread, respond once or twice and then vanish despite continuing arguments against their decision. [Snip] who offer 0 contribution to the discussion beyond "hee hee silly angry people!!" go untouched while those of uspoking fun at the decision and those involved[breaking the actual rules] get slammed. To the moderators who take their job hyper-seriously, most of us forget this forum exists except when someone brings up something stupid the TW developers do at which point we all arrive to have a look.
I sure hope Bannerlord is a massive hit and not the retextured slow-burning let down that it's shaping up to be or you're going to wonder whether the countless hours spent policing this circlejerk were worth it. The community as a whole shouldn't be held responsible for the actions of a few, especially when policing said actions-even if done by players-would be extremely easy.
Insults were removed and punished. Always have been and always will be. Nothing new.A boi said:Censorshippppp
And with things like that in there, you invalidate the rest of whatever argument you are making.CAMELOT_Prince said:[Racist Flaming]
but because I know multiple people paying for their own (root-)servers for years now, and they don't rely on donations. How do they do it?Dimitree said:The only people who support this either are the equivalent of ''teacher's pets'' and are trying to get to the good side of talewords, stand to gain because they employ a non-sustainable scheme of internal donation from the owner/admins or are complete retards.
So, we just try to kill the game because of this policy? Sounds extreme.hi126136 said:tbh, all the popular servers that use donations (probably all the popular servers) should just shut down until they return the donation policy or the game dies
I'm not sure if we read the same policy. I'd recommend you read it again. You can absolutely accept donations.hi126136 said:"no donation policy"
You are allowed to:
• Accept donations
You are not allowed to:
• Restrict access to gameplay features
• Sell any form of in-game content, cosmetic or otherwise (items, perks, skins etc.) via payment or donation rewards
• Sell in-game currency for money (or any other means that facilitate the buying of in-game content through real spending)
So you ignore all the factual arguments, and even the form which currently shows that a majority is for skins and actually against a flat fee to access servers, just because of a few bad seeds?Namakan said:And with things like that in there, you invalidate the rest of whatever argument you are making.
Just because there's ten people complaining here on the forums does not mean that all of the 7k people playing it right now feel the same. Most probably don't. And if the ten people keep throwing insults, that won't change.
We are actually the army of nine year olds.H E R O O F T H E I M P E R I U M said:Are you people like 15 or something? Servers don't cost that much. The vast majority of any Warband servers have been maintained without any major donations, or they have been run by a group of people who split the costs. This really isn't a big deal.
This seems to be addressed to me. I didnt respond to you, because I cannot meaningfully answer your questions beyond what I said in the thread already. I don't work for TW. Moderators are community volunteers that deal with forum matters.InnocentPeasant said:You've said not to use inflammatory languages but you've seem to not reply to me when I made it a point to be civil and replied to the rather more aggressive ones.
Donations are still allowed, so this is speculative.I get that the spirit in which this policy is being rolled out is that less well off people shouldn't have any disadvantages on any server. In going as far as cosmetics, however, aren't you risking locking out those very same people from hosting servers? i.e. from now on, are only affluent individuals going to be able to host servers?
I get that if donators were getting stat advantages or the server owner was making ludicrous amounts of money, it'd be a problem but for some servers at least, the donations doesn't even cover the running costs and you only get cosmetics in return. Isn't a case by case system better then? In fact what even is the downsides to a case by case system? why is TW against it?
Varying rules on a case by case basis seems like a recipe for desaster (much more so than what we have now). It also seems near impossible to actually setup, administrate and enforce. I also don't think that anyone is actually willing to share their "books" with TW. At least I am not aware that anyone has done so up until now. Nor do I think that folks should be forced to do so.If they do not make a profit off it, is it really fair to prevent them from trying to cover their costs when it is not pay to win? Why then not use a case by case system?
Cut the flaming/baiting.H E R O O F T H E I M P E R I U M said:Are you people like 15 or something?