PREVIOUS EVENT: Battle of Maldon (November 16th)
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Lecourbe said:I sign up as Eadbald for the Mældunwaran.
And nice thread
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Added everybody, including the 3 clans that I don't feel like spamming here. I had a way too busy day today, so apologies for taking this longThe_dragon said:
Druidewijn
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Now it just looks like all the clans and groups are Vikingar, I think you deleted something extra.
Nope nope nope nope. I deny any and all such claimsDruidewijn said:Now it just looks like all the clans and groups are Vikingar, I think you deleted something extra.
I'm afraid that we'll have to move you over to the engle side. As soon as you provide the full roster, which will also count as the moment you're officially signed upCzeremis said:I sign up Druzhina ze Zmigrodu for Vikings
There will be probably 10-15 of us, I'll give you the full roster later.
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So it seems that Engle outnumbers Vikingr. So I will lend my god like skills to the vikingr this time under the name Grímr Hausakljúfr.
Snorri Felagi Jomsborg
OK, so I would like to sign up again. Please add me to the Northmen team as Lestek.
SilentMatthew
Sergeant Knight at Arms
I will sign up as Freelancer_SilentMatthew to which ever public host that needs more shields, which would be Viking Leiðangrsfólk in this case.
ItsGingerGamer
Recruit
I am Wíghelm Swift. I will be going on the Engle side.
Sköglingar
The Men of Skögul
Eyvindr Sköglinga
Brynyar Sköglinga
Bragi Sköglinga
Úlfr Sköglinga
Atli Sköglinga
Þorkell Sköglinga
Brynyar Sköglinga
Bragi Sköglinga
Úlfr Sköglinga
Atli Sköglinga
Þorkell Sköglinga
There are more, but they have not chosen names yet, so I will update when they do. Also, we will probably have more than 6 by Sunday.
gloatsneer
Regular
Welcome to all new people and clans!
Just another thing or two about the event -- before we really start. I was wondering about the decision of the admins to call the Víking public host 'levied folk', or 'leiðangrfólk'. Isn't it strange for a Viking fleet to have 'levied' soldiers, ie. conscripted farmers? Isn't that what makes the Danes different from the English, who did have a significant levy ('fyrd') portion in any army?
I'm also interested in this Jósteinn, whom I have never heard about. Isn't the historical consensus that it was Olaf Tryggvason or some Scandinavian king leading the Vikings?
I'm looking forward to seeing the map and seeing the battle unfold!
Just another thing or two about the event -- before we really start. I was wondering about the decision of the admins to call the Víking public host 'levied folk', or 'leiðangrfólk'. Isn't it strange for a Viking fleet to have 'levied' soldiers, ie. conscripted farmers? Isn't that what makes the Danes different from the English, who did have a significant levy ('fyrd') portion in any army?
I'm also interested in this Jósteinn, whom I have never heard about. Isn't the historical consensus that it was Olaf Tryggvason or some Scandinavian king leading the Vikings?
I'm looking forward to seeing the map and seeing the battle unfold!
Snowthorn
Sergeant
[quote author=Wikipedia ]
In medieval Scandinavia the leiðangr (Old Norse), leidang (Norwegian), leding, (Danish), ledung (Swedish), lichting (Dutch), expeditio (Latin) or sometimes leþing (Old English), was a levy of free farmers conscripted into coastal fleets for seasonal excursions and in defence of the realm.
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As for Jósteinn, I believe he was the brother of Ólaf Tryggvasons mother, and is mentioned in Ólafs saga Tryggvasonar.
It isn't clear who lead the Vikings at Maldon but it is suggested it was either Ólaf Tryggvason ( before he became king ) or a Danish king.
Hope that clarifies a thing or two
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#Medieval_levies
http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/ol-tr.htm
In medieval Scandinavia the leiðangr (Old Norse), leidang (Norwegian), leding, (Danish), ledung (Swedish), lichting (Dutch), expeditio (Latin) or sometimes leþing (Old English), was a levy of free farmers conscripted into coastal fleets for seasonal excursions and in defence of the realm.
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As for Jósteinn, I believe he was the brother of Ólaf Tryggvasons mother, and is mentioned in Ólafs saga Tryggvasonar.
It isn't clear who lead the Vikings at Maldon but it is suggested it was either Ólaf Tryggvason ( before he became king ) or a Danish king.
Hope that clarifies a thing or two
Sources:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conscription#Medieval_levies
http://www.snerpa.is/net/snorri/ol-tr.htm
Glad that you asked!gloatsneer said:
Virtually nothing is known for sure about the viking army present at Maldon. Some speculate it was indeed led by Olaf Tryggvason, who would later become king of Norway, while others favour Svein Forkbeard. I find both theories unlikely. Both are known to have operated in the area of Essex in the early 990s but there's little to no suggestion that any of them were present at the battlefield. The theory that Olaf was the leader seems to stem from MS A of the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle:
However, that's pretty obviously a conflation of events that appear in two separate entries elsewhere, as in MS E:
There is a peace treaty known among scholars as II Æthelred and which is associated with these events:
Most scholars date II Æthelred to 994, so it would refer to Olaf and Svein's attack on London and subsequent events, which led to Olaf's conversion to Christianity, sponsored by Æthelred. However, a minority believe it may refer to the tribute paid after Maldon, in 991. A case can be made because II Æthelred doesn't mention Svein, and on the contrary, it mentions a preliminary agreement that archbishop Sigeric, among others, had helped arrange, just as in the ASC entry for 991. Furthermore, it makes no reference to Olaf's conversion. II Æthelred specifies the sum paid to the Vikings as 22,000 pounds, which doesn't agree with the ASC figures for either 991 or 994.
John of Worcester, in the early 12th century, compiled a series of chronicles to produce his Latin Chronicon ex chronicis, which relies mostly on the ASC but is believed to have used sources that are now lost. In his entry for 991, he writes:
As you can see, he's seemingly adapting the ASC (but not MS A). It could be that he took the information about Jósteinn and Guðmundr from II Æthelred, or that a now lost manuscript of the ASC included their names. At any rate, he omitted Olaf. Maybe that was just a mistake on his part, but since most scholars don't believe Olaf was there in the first place, I think it's reasonable to go with it, with the understanding that this is, at most, an educated guess, and that the majority opinion is that II Æthelred was written in 994 and therefore that we have no particular reason to believe Jósteinn and Guðmundr were leading the Vikings in 991. On the other hand, it's likely that at least some of the Vikings participated in both campaigns, since Essex was under constant threat in the final decade of the 10th century, and Olaf may have arrived later to join a pre-existing army. At any rate, having low-key characters like Jósteinn and Guðmundr leading the Vikings, if it is indeed wrong, would be "less wrong" than having a high-profile character like Olaf Tryggvason himself. If nothing else, we're just following John of Worcester, which should carry enough authority on its own!
Not much is known about Justin-Jósteinn, but at least there's something. In the Óláfs saga Tryggvasonar, there is a Jósteinn who happens to be the maternal uncle of Olaf Tryggvason. Nothing of what he does in that saga can really be linked to Maldon or to the ravaging of Essex, but still, this is a Jósteinn who was a close enough associate of Olaf to appear alongside him in II Æthelred, and a kinsman fits the bill pretty well. According to the Óláfs saga Tryggvasonar, Jósteinn was the son of Eiríkr Bjóðaskalli, so there we have the full name of the Viking leader: Jósteinn Eiríksson.
MagnusMaximus
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I hope it's not too late I sign up as Jón for the Viking Leiðangrsfólk.
