Pretty much stuck :l

[Beny]

Hey, I'm kinda stuck in a swadian stalemate here.
I'm a vassal of swadia but before I can get any money or soldiers, some crazy swadian warlord goes and declares war on jus about everybody. So now I'm in well over my head in a dozen wars I have nothing to do with, and don't seem to have any way out :L see the kafuffle I'm in? So any advice on what the hell I should do next?

 

[Cubemonkey]

Take your army and do your best to defend. If you are too weak to do that, follow a strong ally.

If your nation is totally screwed, renounce your allegiance and go back to building up funds and relationships.

 

[wrc]

Hey, I'm kinda stuck in a swadian stalemate here.
I'm a vassal of swadia but before I can get any money or soldiers, some crazy swadian warlord goes and declares war on jus about everybody. So now I'm in well over my head in a dozen wars I have nothing to do with, and don't seem to have any way out :L see the kafuffle I'm in? So any advice on what the hell I should do next?

Kill that crazy swadian warlord and no problem! j/k 
Sounds like you are at the beginning of the game,so,best way to get fast money is to win tournaments,you can take part in tournaments in hostile towns also,just avoid enemy lords.Plunder their villages and caravans,and with first money get some of enterprises in all swadian's towns,that's the "safe" money every week!With that weekly income you can recruit and train solid army,after that,you'll manage..  

 

[Blackfish]

Yeah, Swadia has a tendency to be in a lot of losing wars. I'd say wait it out, avoid battles with lords, go hunt bandits for a while. If you were given some ****ty fief on the frontier you could hope that the castle it's attached to gets taken from Swadia...

Or you could do the time-honoured "all-knights steamroller".

 

[Lord Brutus]

Sounds like you joined a faction without any preparation, not to worry, it's a common mistake.  Follow Blackfish's suggestions and stay out of trouble.

 

[Captain_Octavius]

I don't think advising new people to make money through tournaments is the best idea. You actually need to have some real-life proficiency in combat, and that takes time. If you fail you actually lose money.

I say: Trade. It may be more boring, but it's just as fast, and it's fail safe. Well, as long as you hire a bunch of bodyguards with your first made money to protect against bandits. 10-15 Mercenary Cavalry always do fine for me. With your trade-earned money, buy enterprises in all towns, in almost all places dye works. Gives you a solid 10.000-11.000 denars per week.

 

[truth is life]

I don't think advising new people to make money through tournaments is the best idea. You actually need to have some real-life proficiency in combat, and that takes time. If you fail you actually lose money.

I usually try a few without betting first, just to check if I can reliably win. If I can't, I don't lose anything except a bit of time. If I can, then I get some money and renown. No downside, really.

I say: Trade. It may be more boring, but it's just as fast, and it's fail safe. Well, as long as you hire a bunch of bodyguards with your first made money to protect against bandits. 10-15 Mercenary Cavalry always do fine for me. With your trade-earned money, buy enterprises in all towns, in almost all places dye works. Gives you a solid 10.000-11.000 denars per week.

You can actually go it alone, since you by yourself on a horse are faster than most bandits (especially once you get a couple of extra pack horses). Just stay away from Khergit and Sarranid territory, except the fringes (Halmar, Narra, and Shariz), the desert and steppe bandits are numerous and tough without a fairly decent force.

 

[Captain_Octavius]

You can actually go it alone, since you by yourself on a horse are faster than most bandits (especially once you get a couple of extra pack horses). Just stay away from Khergit and Sarranid territory, except the fringes (Halmar, Narra, and Shariz), the desert and steppe bandits are numerous and tough without a fairly decent force.

You seem to have no experience in dedicated trading. Try loading up a full inventory of Iron Bars and then see how fast you go on your own. You'll be a snail, and a good target for bandits. Even though you compensate it a bit with 6-9 horses in your inventory, if you do dedicated trading you will want to use Ctrl+Space to speed it up, or else it takes ages. And with Ctrl+Space you don't have the time to react to avoid bandits. 10-20 Mercenary Cavalry can crush almost all bandit parties unless they gang up, so just be careful near the places where their lairs usually are. The money lost on their wages is easily earned back by you travelling safely.

When I start a new game, I keep trading until I earned about 130.000 denars for enterprises, and about 300.000 denars for equipping myself and my companions with the best armour, weapons and horses in the game. That's between 400-500K denars, and it takes me about 250 ingame days to reach that point. It's about 80% of the preparation required to kick ass in Calradia, the other 20% being the power levelling of myself and my companions on bandits, so they get to level 20 and have the right party skills + all of them Trainer. I'm then set to go and do anything I want, with success. My enterprises keep me filthy rich, and I can stamp an elite army out of the ground within a week due to my trainer companions. Plus me and my companions are the most elite and immortal champions in Calradia.

 

[wrc]

You can actually go it alone, since you by yourself on a horse are faster than most bandits (especially once you get a couple of extra pack horses). Just stay away from Khergit and Sarranid territory, except the fringes (Halmar, Narra, and Shariz), the desert and steppe bandits are numerous and tough without a fairly decent force.

You seem to have no experience in dedicated trading. Try loading up a full inventory of Iron Bars and then see how fast you go on your own. You'll be a snail, and a good target for bandits. Even though you compensate it a bit with 6-9 horses in your inventory, if you do dedicated trading you will want to use Ctrl+Space to speed it up, or else it takes ages. And with Ctrl+Space you don't have the time to react to avoid bandits. 10-20 Mercenary Cavalry can crush almost all bandit parties unless they gang up, so just be careful near the places where their lairs usually are. The money lost on their wages is easily earned back by you travelling safely.

When I start a new game, I keep trading until I earned about 130.000 denars for enterprises, and about 300.000 denars for equipping myself and my companions with the best armour, weapons and horses in the game. That's between 400-500K denars, and it takes me about 250 ingame days to reach that point. It's about 80% of the preparation required to kick ass in Calradia, the other 20% being the power levelling of myself and my companions on bandits, so they get to level 20 and have the right party skills + all of them Trainer. I'm then set to go and do anything I want, with success. My enterprises keep me filthy rich, and I can stamp an elite army ouf of the ground within a week due to my trainer companions. Plus me and my companions are the most elite and immortal champions in Calradia.

That's all true,you can earn good money from trading with small investment in your bodyguards,but OP stated that he already joined swadia and they are at war with almost everyone,so I don't think that bandits are his problem,enemy lords will make trading very difficult for him.Apart from that,I agree that is the best advice how to start the game from very beginning!

 

[Beny]

Well, thanks for the suggestions, and I'm pretty sure I'm going to leave swadia because so far they're brought me nothing but trouble. Or maybe seeing as I'm only on day 60(ish) I could just start again and do that trading tactic. but thanks for advice guys 

 

[Ludial]

Um, you folks seem to forget something important:
the OP is in the middle of a losing war with a lot of tough opponents. He cannot afford the luxury of doing trade runs, especially outside Swadia and especially by using control+space. He'd get stopped by any lord or bunch of tier 4 deserters on his way. Trade doesn't really work during all-out war. Think of all the caravan masters that make that mistake and end up spitted on a player's lance.

@OP:
There are two ways to really get out of this situation:
one is to get the 'help stop the war' quest that is given by guild masters in cities. However, such a quest requires a good deal from the player. Lots of time for finding the two lords and stalking them, lots of money for bribing them and likely lots of troops for beating them into submission if nothing else works. Pulling it off this way is not easy. Not to mention that it often requires going into enemy territory and waltzing around the map so as not to get caught by hostile lords.

Oh, and if you're at war with more than one faction, I can't possibly see you getting this quest for every single war Swadia is involved in.

Which brings us to the oldest and most valid way of solving conflicts - beat the living crap out of them. Just fight bandits, sell their stuff (can bring almost the same profit as dedicated trading, but also nets you a lot of xp and usable equipment), level your troops quietly (the Swadian training field is actually in a really nice quiet corner where you can be fairly safe from other lords and can level your troops considerably with some time and money on your hands). When you have a full company of men-at-arms/knights, steamroll anyone that comes your way. Just don't take part in sieges unless you know you'll win.

When you beat them enough and have enough of their lords prisoner, they'll declare peace themselves. For the profit of your kingdom, too.

 

[Captain_Octavius]

He should just leave Swadia as soon as he can, he isn't prepared for it. Then do the trading. Or start over, seeing he's only at day 60 and only messed around without a well thought out plan.

 

[Beny]

He should just leave Swadia as soon as he can, he isn't prepared for it. Then do the trading. Or start over, seeing he's only at day 60 and only messed around without a well thought out plan.

hmm seems that way :L

but i do like the idea of steam rolling...

 

[Captain_Octavius]

Yes but you are in a situation where that's going to be very hard to pull off.

 

[marett]

Could just do the old you can't beat them join them.

 

[Beny]

miraculously, we made a truce with everyone except the khergits. And in turn, torched their houses and murdered thier children 

So yeah, now the thread is kinda irrelevant as wealth is no longer an issue and niether is anything else to be honest 

 

[wrc]

miraculously, we made a truce with everyone except the khergits. And in turn, torched their houses and murdered thier children 

So yeah, now the thread is kinda irrelevant as wealth is no longer an issue and niether is anything else to be honest 

Well,it's not irrelevant,it will surely help you in future,in that game or if you start a new one!

 

[Ludial]

miraculously, we made a truce with everyone except the khergits. And in turn, torched their houses and murdered thier children 

So yeah, now the thread is kinda irrelevant as wealth is no longer an issue and niether is anything else to be honest 

now that you're taking over the Khergits you can expect for other nations to declare war on the Swads to 'curb their power'. And these wars are going to be much more ruthless than the ones started out of Swadia's arrogance. It's the calm before the storm for you now.

 

[Beny]

Oooh more war, like the sound of that 

EDIT: by the way, what can you do with captured vassals? apart from selling then back to their faction?

 

[Ludial]

Oooh more war, like the sound of that 

EDIT: by the way, what can you do with captured vassals? apart from selling then back to their faction?

keep them so there's less enemies to fight. especially useful when fighting against uneven odds.