Postage, Privatisation and Politics

[Hack McSlash]

It is very simple, if someone likes getting stoned on PCP and kills someone or robs a liquor store they will be hanged after a fair trial.

You were just talking about drugs, weren't you? I think I misread your post as saying "nothing should be criminal"....as in no laws.

 

[Sir Saladin]

That's right, maybe some guy can smoke opium for thirty years without hurting anyone but himself, he should get no jail time. If some undercover cop pretends to be a friend of the opium head and gets high with the opium head the cop should feel ashamed of himself for being slime and arrest himself for having no character at all. Laws against killing and stealing and lying and etc. are the laws that we need forever.

 

[Narcissus]

What about speeding laws?  Are they needed?  Trespassing?  Public Intox?  Driving under the influence?  Any private property laws?  What about pleading in court of the influence drugs had over your life when doing those things?  Then what about murder?

By saying that drugs should be made legal, you then say that the 'other' laws should stay forever.  Huh?

While I disagree with many laws that the U.S.A. has, it is foolish to summarily dismiss one huge set of laws on the whole genre of drug use and possesion.  There are many over-lapping instances through-out the laws and by removing all laws that prohibit one thing ... you are then opening up a can of trouble concerning many of the others.

I'm not necessarily against legalized drug use, but saying that there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting them is ... errr ... somewhat foolish?

Narcissus

 

[Archonsod]

but saying that there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting them is ... errr ... somewhat foolish?

The only drugs that should be legalised are those proscribed by our friend Computer. They make me feel happy...

 

[Hack McSlash]

but saying that there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting them is ... errr ... somewhat foolish?

The only drugs that should be legalised are those proscribed by our friend Computer. They make me feel happy...

Is Arch losing it? 

As to legalization....I'd like to see looser criminalization. Putting people in jail for having small amounts of pot, cocaine, and pills is counter-productive. Sure, if someone has 20 pounds of dope in his trunk...he should be prosecuted...but if you only have enough to get you high for the night (and are not driving under the influence at the time), then you should be warned to find a safe place and to be careful.

 

[Feerspoir]

It is very simple, if someone likes getting stoned on PCP and kills someone or robs a liquor store they will be hanged after a fair trial.

So it's not "they will be prosecuted and be submitted to a fair trial where they might be found guilty or innocent"...

 

[Narcissus]

As to legalization....I'd like to see looser criminalization. Putting people in jail for having small amounts of pot, cocaine, and pills is counter-productive. Sure, if someone has 20 pounds of dope in his trunk...he should be prosecuted...but if you only have enough to get you high for the night (and are not driving under the influence at the time), then you should be warned to find a safe place and to be careful.

Or possibly told to get home or to the drug-pub ...

Narcissus

 

[Yoshiboy]

As to legalization....I'd like to see looser criminalization. Putting people in jail for having small amounts of pot, cocaine, and pills is counter-productive. Sure, if someone has 20 pounds of dope in his trunk...he should be prosecuted...but if you only have enough to get you high for the night (and are not driving under the influence at the time), then you should be warned to find a safe place and to be careful.

Legalizing drugs, even light ones is not the way forward. I've seen way too many people get so ****ed up by them. And you might say that "oh alcohol is legal" but they are very different. Weed has always been something that when most of my friends smoke it they get completely hooked and the possibility of ****ing themselves up big time is always there. It's simply too addictive, both psychologically and physically (as it is usually smoked with tabbaco). If you friends spend the money on beer which they do on weed they'd probably walk around drunk most of the time.

And its not like its just my friends. Nearly everyone I've known who has got into drugs...

 

[Hack McSlash]

As to legalization....I'd like to see looser criminalization. Putting people in jail for having small amounts of pot, cocaine, and pills is counter-productive. Sure, if someone has 20 pounds of dope in his trunk...he should be prosecuted...but if you only have enough to get you high for the night (and are not driving under the influence at the time), then you should be warned to find a safe place and to be careful.

Legalizing drugs, even light ones is not the way forward. I've seen way too many people get so ****ed up by them. And you might say that "oh alcohol is legal" but they are very different. Weed has always been something that when most of my friends smoke it they get completely hooked and the possibility of ****ing themselves up big time is always there. It's simply too addictive, both psychologically and physically (as it is usually smoked with tabbaco). If you friends spend the money on beer which they do on weed they'd probably walk around drunk most of the time.

And its not like its just my friends. Nearly everyone I've known who has got into drugs...

Just curious, how old are these friends of yours?

I'm saying that consenting adults should not clog the judicial system and prisons for being caught with a single joint. Kids may need better guidance, but would you want that guidance to be legal punishment? I'm just saying that the legal punishments do not fit the crimes.

Punishment is not as effective as reinforcement. Sending junkies to jail is not as effective as sending them to rehab (of their own accord).

 

[Archonsod]

I'm saying that consenting adults should not clog the judicial system and prisons for being caught with a single joint. Kids may need better guidance, but would you want that guidance to be legal punishment? I'm just saying that the legal punishments do not fit the crimes.

The problem is that there needs to be some form of discouragement to eliminate it completely. Targetting the end user's isn't the answer, the real problem are the suppliers and the growers. However, you can't really go around throwing the book at dealers and bombing the hell out of drug farms on the one hand, while happily allowing people to walk around hammered off their tits on the other.
A single joint shouldn't clog the judicial system though. Being caught with any amount which would be personal use rather than dealing should be confiscation and a hefty spot fine.

Punishment is not as effective as reinforcement. Sending junkies to jail is not as effective as sending them to rehab (of their own accord).

I beg to differ. Hang the junkies and I can guarantee they'll never do it again. But then, as a fascist I fail to see why unproductive members of society should be tolerated at all.

 

[Sir Saladin]

Absolutely, all mentally disabled types should be made into soap. Along with the cripples.

 

[Archonsod]

Why soap? They have lots of precious, fully functioning organs we could harvest.

The remains can be cooked into soup, for the purposes of feeding the plebs.

 

[Sir Saladin]

hehehe.

 

[calandale]

The only drugs that should be legalised are those proscribed by our friend Computer. They make me feel happy...

Is Arch losing it? 
.

No citizen. The computer is your friend.

What about speeding laws?  Are they needed?  Trespassing?  Public Intox?  Driving under the influence?  Any private property laws?  What about pleading in court of the influence drugs had over your life when doing those things?  Then what about murder?

By saying that drugs should be made legal, you then say that the 'other' laws should stay forever.  Huh?

While I disagree with many laws that the U.S.A. has, it is foolish to summarily dismiss one huge set of laws on the whole genre of drug use and possesion.  There are many over-lapping instances through-out the laws and by removing all laws that prohibit one thing ... you are then opening up a can of trouble concerning many of the others.

I'm not necessarily against legalized drug use, but saying that there shouldn't be any laws prohibiting them is ... errr ... somewhat foolish?

Narcissus

I don't see that decisions which only effect your own existence should be mandated by law. This is kind of like the motorcycle helmet laws. Your point about pleading 'under the influence' is a good one however, but HOW did someone get in that state? The choice to take a particular drug was there own, and doesn't move any of the culpability away from them.