possible Betty solution?

[jros83]

Until recently I just tolerated Betty's antics. I figured the admins were doing a good enough job banning her whenever she wold pop up. But now that Betty has started to put a group together, and also that Betty is impersonating other players with a certain degree of success, I think, at the corporate level, it's time for a hard and even draconian solution.

It's apparent Betty has no problem continually buying keys*. Considering troublemakers rarely have the wherewithall or diligence to find ways around, I was wondering if perhaps, at the corporate level, her mean of financing her purchases, say if it is by credit card, could be blocked. I know some think IP blocking is a solution, but many ISPs use dynamic IPs, so whatever IP you block one day probably won't be their IP the next. Now, if Betty is using a "keygen," then that's a different story (I don't know if those really work or are a viable means to cheat the system, as I've always liked to keep things legit).



Perhaps the business philosophy, if it isn't an actual law, is anyone can get back after a solid ban by purchasing the content again, perhaps as a means to tell the person "why would you keep wanting to spend money? is it worth it?" For most troublemakers, that works. But Betty seems to be a peculiar and atypical case. And due to the fanaticism she or he displays towards their griefing, I would imagine a more draconian step would be warranted.

I am sure at the corporate level there are logs of how this person is making their purchase. Unless there is a law that stops corporate from doing so, I think the best solution to the Betty problem would be simply blocking their means of payment.

*If it IS a keygen software.... Well then I just don't know.

 

[cenzila]

well no its not a keygen, he is purchasing every time which pays for vince's lunch every day so i doubt tactics will change. and to be honest i dont know what else there is to change to this seems to be working fine

 

[jros83]

well no its not a keygen, he is purchasing every time which pays for vince's lunch every day so i doubt tactics will change. and to be honest i dont know what else there is to change to this seems to be working fine

the first part of your comment, though I know is partly in jest, really is not helpful. I do not think the business ethics at the corporate level are so far gone as to allow someone to continually grief the community just so they can farm the offender for more cash.

the second part, I really don't see how it is working "fine" since Betty incidents are still ongoing, and especially since the commotion that was caused by an innocent player having been banned, then severely chastised when they made their cases, only later to find they were right all along when they said it was Betty.

The whole "well Betty is just giving Taleworlds more funds" argument is counterproductive. Even when made in jest.

 

[Taggerung]

Jros83,

Just wondering...but what do you know of business ethics? Do you have any clue what goes into blocking a credit card? Or how even being able to look at it from a company standpoint (Things like CC purchases are usually handled 3rd party) is generally unethical? Before you get all upset over someones post look at your own post and realize how absurd it sounds. I honestly can't tell if you are just being a troll on here or are actual genuine...the troll makes more sense as you seem to be very involved in matters that don't really concern you.

 

[jros83]

Tagg... I understand you're upset about things I said about Fallen_ but come on, really? Please don't derail this, thank you. If you have a personal issue with me please feel free to PM. I'm quite sociable.


And since you mentioned, I am certainly NOT "upset" at Cen's post at all. You can disagree with someone's opinion on things without being "upset." Cen is certainly able to understand that.

Anyway, I think the only people who really have a valid say on whether my idea (and it is only an idea) is crap or not are people at that level. I know you have a personal thing with me, I wish you didn't and maybe if you'd PM me we could get it cleared up in a good manner, but this is not the place or venue to segue into it. As such I won't comment it further. But I truly do invite you or any other Fallen_ to PM me about that issue, though I have stated in other threads that I'm willing to accept my issue with Loki and the accusaion that stemmed from me was by an unfortunate imposter using a Fallen_ tag on their name. But again like I said you are free to PM me about it. I feel that is better anyway because if you just do something like your previous post in any thread you see me in, it may be construed as you simply having fun. But a PM would show you're mature enough to handle it between you and I in a civil manner, rather than just wanting an audience to watch you have fun with me.

Back to topic

 

[Taggerung]

Tagg... I understand you're upset about things I said about Fallen_ but come on, really? Please don't derail this, thank you. If you have a personal issue with me please feel free to PM. I'm quite sociable.


And since you mentioned, I am certainly NOT "upset" at Cen's post at all. You can disagree with someone's opinion on things without being "upset." Cen is certainly able to understand that.

Anyway, I think the only people who really have a valid say on whether my idea (and it is only an idea) is crap or not are people at that level. I know you have a personal thing with me, I wish you didn't and maybe if you'd PM me we could get it cleared up in a good manner, but this is not the place or venue to segue into it. As such I won't comment it further. But I truly do invite you or any other Fallen_ to PM me about that issue, though I have stated in other threads that I'm willing to accept my issue with Loki and the accusaion that stemmed from me was by an unfortunate imposter using a Fallen_ tag on their name. But again like I said you are free to PM me about it. I feel that is better anyway because if you just do something like your previous post in any thread you see me in, it may be construed as you simply having fun. But a PM would show you're mature enough to handle it between you and I in a civil manner, rather than just wanting an audience to watch you have fun with me.

Back to topic

I have no issue with you personally, not upset by what you have said about "Fallen" as I don't really care, only reason I even use the tag is because I have 2 real life friends who I play with are in Fallen. I was serious when I asked if you were a troll though, you seem to get quite aggravated at other peoples posts, especially when they don't agree with you. A troll I can understand as it fits your behavior quite well. If it's something else...well then I am lost. If it is that you aren't a troll, then my apologies for calling you one, and it just comes down to me not understanding the way you think. My points about this topic however were valid, as a small company such as TaleWorlds and especially the Napoleonic Wars team generally don't do their own CC processing, and as such blocking ones credit card (Which in itself is a challenge), it's not like just banning someone by IP, so even if they did block 1 Credit card, Betty could just use another which would start the whole locating and identifying who it is process again.

 

[Vincenzo]

Frankly, there is not much we could do, I hoped by laughing at said person and telling him how pointless and how a idiot he is and that he is only paying us money.... 
I hoped that He would stop, it seems it is not working though.

What rests is not giving it any attention at all, as such from now on, this topic and all other betty topics will be locked, new ones will be instantly locked.

All admins are instructed to keep perm banning any betty's or fakers, it's all we can do and we will do.

Overall, ignore the troll, don't feed it, don't rage at it, don't make posts or topics about it and it will automatically stop.