PoP Official 3.9 Changelog [OLD]

[Leonion]

Would it be possible to make the Noldor Rune Armor not look like complete crap?

Noldor Rune Armor?
This?

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Or the one with runes, i.e. this:

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[damesh]

Would it be possible to make the Noldor Rune Armor not look like complete crap?

Noldor Rune Armor?
This?

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Or the one with runes, i.e. this:

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I like that second one.  Looks like leather over chain and the helmet is nice, though that probably isn't what it's supposed to be.  Where is that in game?  I've never encountered it, but then I never attack the Noldor lords so if you have to get it off them I know why I've never seen it.

 

[Ralyks18]

Would it be possible to make the Noldor Rune Armor not look like complete crap?

Noldor Rune Armor?
This?

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Or the one with runes, i.e. this:

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I like that second one.  Looks like leather over chain and the helmet is nice, though that probably isn't what it's supposed to be.  Where is that in game?  I've never encountered it, but then I never attack the Noldor lords so if you have to get it off them I know why I've never seen it.

Mystical Rune Plate, you could get it in Quigfen, no troop used it... all that applies as well for the Comet Courser. They are the best armor and the fastest horse, but expensive AF.

 

[mr48]

Would it be possible to make the Noldor Rune Armor not look like complete crap?

Noldor Rune Armor?
This?

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Or the one with runes, i.e. this:

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Hey, since you are here, I wanted to ask whether it would be possible to create a tweak which would create a prisoner recruitment/rescue system like I described earlier in the thread:

A new version of PoP is always a great cause for excitement!

Thinking about the fact that once again after installing the new version I will need to search for that tweak to disable the level 40 limitation for recruiting/rescuing prisoners (like many others I'm sure), I though of a possible change that might keep everyone happy:

What if the  possibility of recruiting/rescuing prisoners depended not only on their level, but on a combination of their level and the player's relations to the prisoner's faction?

For instance, lower level troops (below level 40) wouldn't have a super-strong allegiance to their faction and could be recruited at any level of relation above some point which is relatively normal for the game (e.g. -5). On the other hand, elite troops (above level 40) which currently refuse to be recruited through the prisoner system (because supposedly they are ultra-loyal to their faction and won't leave it according to the lore explanation) might agree to join you only if you are considered to be an ally of their faction with relations at some very high level (e.g. 30+). Finally if you are a hated enemy of a faction (relation below -5) then too bad, no troops of that factions will ever join you regardless of level.

This way, you have a way of rescuing exotic troops so long as you put in a lot of work to get friendly with the relevant factions, and it is more realistic with you having no access to troops of factions which you are at war with.

Any chance of something like this making it into the patch?

Or is only possible with the devcode?

 

[Dusk Voyager]

Well for starters, it's not Noldor-made in any capacity. If you are referring to the one that is bronze-colored and has rune markings covering it.

Good point. It does look like crap, but you can explain it away as humans trying to combine human and Noldor crafting techniques/styles, which works more than well enough to get the job done yet looks ugly.

 

[Leonion]

Well for starters, it's not Noldor-made in any capacity. If you are referring to the one that is bronze-colored and has rune markings covering it.

Good point. It does look like crap, but you can explain it away as humans trying to combine human and Noldor crafting techniques, which works more than well enough to get the job done but looks ugly.

You people zazhralis. If that armor looks like crap, what does this look like:

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Nat many mods have the armor of quality equal to or better than PoP 3.7+ armor.

 

[Veteran Decanus]

Well for starters, it's not Noldor-made in any capacity. If you are referring to the one that is bronze-colored and has rune markings covering it.

Good point. It does look like crap, but you can explain it away as humans trying to combine human and Noldor crafting techniques, which works more than well enough to get the job done but looks ugly.

You people zazhralis. If that armor looks like crap, what does this look like:

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Nat many mods have the armor of quality equal to or better than PoP 3.7+ armor.

The style of the armour (Mystical Rune Plate) is crap. The overall quality of the model is stellar but the design of it is, frankly, amateur. Throwing random runes all over the thing in no particular pattern legitimately looks like something a child would do.

The amours you've provided as example here look like they've spilled out of a broken sewer main. Don't ask how I know that experience.

 

[Leonion]

Throwing random runes all over the thing in no particular pattern legitimately looks like something a child would do.

Are you saying this as a master blacksmith who specializes in making rune-enchanted armor? 

 

[WolfWitness]

*Sees the Silvermist Halberdier armor and the old brestplate armor model in Leonion's examples* I honestly like those.

As for the Mystical Rune Plate, it would look better if the runes were arranged like they were forming sentences instead of seemingly placed at random. As is, eh, I personally don't it's that bad.

 

[Leonion]

Why?
Magical runes can be like Chinese/Japanese/etc. symbols. Each rune = a word with its own meaning.

To me their positions make perfect sense.
And unless there is some PoP lore somewhere explaining how runes work in PoP world, their positions can be considered correct by default.
The fact that runes' positions seem random and chaotic doesn't mean they are. Perhaps they form a very complicated pattern.
And the more unusual it seems, the more realistic it seems. If runes were simply symmetrical or something like that, any idiot (I'm talking about in-game characters) could paint them. It's silly.
But a complicated pattern with no visible logic (to a commoner), something which secrets only true masters know - now that's something I'm ready to believe in.

 

[Ralyks18]

And the more unusual it seems, the more realistic it seems. If runes were simply symmetrical or something like that, any idiot (I'm talking about in-game characters) could paint them. It's silly.
But a complicated pattern with no visible logic (to a commoner), something which secrets only true masters know - now that's something I'm ready to believe in.

The more I read this, the more ironic I see it. But you say it so convinced that the truth clashes with what it seems in my mind.

Just tried the armor and it looks better than the model shown. It still exists in 3.9 just saying, if you want to keep on with this random controversy

 

[Leonion]

Just think about it:
There is this runic noldor armor, the best of the best, the masterpiece. And runes are obviously something that makes it so high-quality.
If the runic pattern was obvious to peasants like us, people would mass-produce it (sure, there might be other restrictions, but the runic pattern can be one of them).

What if a part of this pattern is a mirrored reflection of stars and constellations on the day of its creation? And some other part depends on the material of the armor? And the third part is the blacksmith's unique signature? And the forth part is some complicated mathematical sum of the first three?

It's frigging advanced secret magic.
Us peasants are not supposed to see logic in it, let alone give advice on how runes should be positioned.

 

[aaaa1]

if you dislike it so much you could just swap it with the texture of your likings i think the barclay armor uses the same model

 

[WolfWitness]

Why?
Magical runes can be like Chinese/Japanese/etc. symbols. Each rune = a word with its own meaning.

To me their positions make perfect sense.
And unless there is some PoP lore somewhere explaining how runes work in PoP world, their positions can be considered correct by default.
The fact that runes' positions seem random and chaotic doesn't mean they are. Perhaps they form a very complicated pattern.
And the more unusual it seems, the more realistic it seems. If runes were simply symmetrical or something like that, any idiot (I'm talking about in-game characters) could paint them. It's silly.
But a complicated pattern with no visible logic (to a commoner), something which secrets only true masters know - now that's something I'm ready to believe in.

The thing is, the runes used on the armor are pretty much (or very strongly resemble) Norse/Germanic runes which do have an established way of being written and arranged. Yes, yes, real life conventions don't really apply in PoP but if the runes were of a more unique design then sure, I wouldn't have an issue with it.

But since I can make out runes like eolhx, feoh, haegl, tiw and mann, it feels like one of those Chinese/Japanese Kanji tattoos that look cool to some people but are really silly to those who can read them.

And like I said, I don't think the armor's design is bad and I don't really mind the arrangement of the runes in the grand scheme of things. I'm just expressing my honest opinion on it.

if you dislike it so much you could just swap it with the texture of your likings i think the barclay armor uses the same model

Huh... So that's why it looked familiar to me.

 

[King Edric]

Ah, another discussion about that rune armour Just agree that you disagree, we all like different things.

 

[Lag'ier Barlida]

That armor is not ugly, but also not matching its stats in PoP, it couldn’t match with any good parts in PoP.(except the noldor boots)

Leonion has showed the best helm with this armor, which only provides around 45 head armor, and belonged to a KO’s Sergeant who do nothing with noldor.

Remember it is the most expensive thing you can buy in PoP, and it was done by noldors not Barclay, so personally I would like to see the new badass texture of that armor

 

[grimm4]

Would it be possible to make the Noldor Rune Armor not look like complete crap?

Well for starters, it's not Noldor-made in any capacity. If you are referring to the one that is bronze-colored and has rune markings covering it.

To answer your question, what things look like is objective to each individual. Some might like it, some might hate it. We'll decide what we do when it comes to visual appeal of assets.

Yes sorry, I was referring to the horrible looking brown one that has no matching pieces that are on par with it stats wise.

I see from the comments that this might just be my opinion though lol.

 

[JohnnyZhu]

@HooTmAn Thanks for replying

But when I'm at 100 relations with the Noldor, can't they accept me as *almost* one of their own? All these little wars of petty kingdoms... While the real threat lies in the chaos hordes spawning in Pendor!

Humans need Noldor's strength, and the way of life as the Noldors know it, is even more in danger if they choose to stay idle! That is why I want to unite ENTIRE Pendor.

So you can only get noldor hunters 1x from the Jatu quest tribe? I wish we could recruit rescued noldor warriors and rangers aswell from normal parties

 

[Lag'ier Barlida]

So you can only get noldor hunters 1x from the Jatu quest tribe? I wish we could recruit rescued noldor warriors and rangers aswell from normal parties

That is just for game balance, to aviod the exploit of getting elite troops too easy which hurt the RPG gameplay hard.

Why need you trade noldors with gem when you can save plenty of them directly?

 

[Echtel]

Well Noldors may be cool but you don't really need them TBH... once your CKO is fully equipped and trained they become so monstrously good that going through the hassle of hoarding qualis gems to get Noldor troops is not really worthwhile