Rhade said:
... they are simply ignored as the entirety of POM disregards all of it in blind, zealous favor of whichever admin or policy is in question, irrespective of any evidence or compelling arguments you may have to the contrary. Zero himself has made this clear, as well as Ash Tre, and other previous POM members who have since left -- POM's internal policy is to blindly support any member who comes under criticism, regardless of the situation.
This is quite true, even today. Bringing forth criticism of an admin in a place where other admins can see it isn't effective when dealing with POM. Their "policy" is to let the admin in question handle it. Binary has told me before that he doesn't meddle in the affairs of other admins, usually citing ignorance as the excuse (clarification: which is to say, he claims not to know all of the details of a given situation he was not present for, and thus feels he cannot accurately judge another admin's response to it, which is entirely legitimate to a point). Therefore, the stances of other admins is generally to let the admin in question handle the criticism, which
obviously leads to poor reception of the criticism. However, when a critique is posted in great detail and clarity, there's no reason for the other admins to cop-out with their "I wasn't there, so I can't judge" position. Unfortunately, nobody gets past that step because the admin-in-question shuts down the criticism before it's possible (as enabled by such an attitude in the first place).
BlackTide said:
At no point did I say that the reception on the POM forums would ensure complete and utter free-reign to discuss and dictate POM policy. It is, however, the most effective way to get something changed. It is more effective than ranting on this thread with no useful purpose other than to slate the server. Most of the people who have posted in this thread have not tried voicing their concerns on the POM forum, with the exception of you and Marnid. I encourage people to follow that course of action instead of spamming this forum with your hate filled posts. If you have first made a suggestion on the POM forum that has been (unjustly in some eyes) rejected then you are far more entitled to spam in this thread.
I have one post to my credit on the POM forums, and it was criticism of Holgard. He was threatening to ban a new player if said player didn't change his class from archer to infantry (claiming that the new player was "too bad" and was just teamwounding all the time), and I called him out on the spot for power-tripping. Holgard instantly went on the defensive and claimed I didn't know what power-tripping was, and threatened to kick/ban me if I was going to make an issue out of it. A few minutes later, Holgard teamwounds someone and I ask him if he wouldn't be better off switching to another class because of his tendency to teamwound as infantry. Marnid -> Kicked.
About 20 minutes later I get word from several people still in the server that Holgard was talking **** about me, claiming I was "a known troll" and an ******* (the latter of which may certainly be true), and I came back in to make a remark about his commenting on me while I wasn't present. He apparently disagreed with this remark (something like "talking **** about me after power-tripping and kicking me from the server? that really shows the quality of POM admins") and that, apparently, warrants a ban.
So, later, I go to the POM forums to make my case. I explain the situation, I make my position clear, and I try not to be deliberately aggravating (which I am apparently very good at, according to some folks). Holgard's "response" is the removal of my post and a ban from the forums.
Standard play. But of course, you know that, Blacktide. You and I were in LES at the time. This is what spawned my smurf name "-[LES]- A Known Troll" which I used for quite some time on POM.