Poll: Horse Hopping Must GO!!!

[wolfstriked]

A) I turned into a girl after I watched that video. B) Those horses have no riders. [/quote]


HAha wrong video I posted heres the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLUeVcNgPpk&feature=fvw


Either way learn to embrace your feminine side!!

 

[Styo]

Instead of removing it. Just lower the hieght.

 

[nihilocrat]

Horse hoppers just look completely and utterly ridiculous. It's like someone bunnyhopping in Counter-Strike. It's a crap move for protection against pikes (they are long enough to still hit) but it's hella annoying against anything else.

It's just another ludicrous move that makes me hate horses even more. PETA would hate to see my usual play session since I go around hacking them up not just because it 'fixes' the errant horse problem, but because it temporarily satiates my burning hatred of them.

 

[seanparkerfilms]

Here's an idea. It probably couldn't be implemented and would require a lot of work, and maybe it's not even a good idea. Nevertheless, I think it would be interesting if there were no player-controlled horse jumping. Rather, the horse jumps on its own — when riding at a fence, etc., the horse jumps with perfect timing and clears it without any button press necessary (that would solve the rather irritating issue of messing up a seemingly simple horse jump and getting the whole horse-rearing-up-leaving-you-completely-vulnerable thing. The space bar would be disabled, so that you can't make it jump whenever you want, and it wouldn't jump over troops on its own, either.

Any thoughts?

 

[Redfyre]

um... That would require a lot of coding to determine what could be jumped over by the horse and what the horse would stop at. That would also be a very bug-filled venture. People claiming, "Well my horse could jump over that tiny fence, how could he not jump over this wall the same exact height of the fence?"
Lets just leave it the way it is. Honestly people. It's not a problem. Very few people even do it. Just because you get pissed that one person doesi t doesn't mean it should be removed.

 

[ares007]

it really depends. As a spearman, when a horse jumps over/at me, I typically sidestep and try to hit the horse/rider as they land. It has worked beautifully on several occasions. But I do think horses jump a wee bit too high.

 

[Gabeed]

Honestly people. It's not a problem. Very few people even do it.

Wrong, and wrong.  Of course it's a problem, if it's been brought up and so many people acknowledge it being a problem.  Many people do it.  Horses should be used for jumping to get over inanimate obstacles, not to leap over squadrons of men.  And it looks ridiculous.

 

[Skot the Sanguine]

A) I turned into a girl after I watched that video. B) Those horses have no riders.

HAha wrong video I posted heres the right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLUeVcNgPpk&feature=fvw


Either way learn to embrace your feminine side!!
[/quote]

Even still, that is still probably less than half the jump of those ingame....both height and distance.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

I think it's in the footman's advantage that the rider chose to jump. The higher quality horses can take out a third of a soldier's hit points at full gallop.

 

[brunoxyz]

I think the solution is making the horses jump just high enough to jump fences and rocks. 

Horse jumping must stay somehow. 

I agree that they should not jump so high that a lance cannot reach them, although I really haven't seen that situation.

 

[Swadius 2.0]

You only miss when you aim at the horse, when you aim that low a jump won't give you much room to reach, aiming higher at the upper half of the torso of the rider will allow more time to compensate for the jump if any is needed at all.
At least us spearmen don't have to deal with the hooves of the horse as it jumps over .

 

[kingofnoobia]

What about just disabling the attack of the rider while jumping? It would make jump useless for offense. They can still 'dodge' pikes in a ridiculous way, but there isn't much reason to, because they can't attack. They might just as well have ridden far around the pikeman, or if they really want to attack, charge head-on, but then they are forced not to jump and doomed to be piked off.

 

[SpiderMandala]

What about just disabling the attack of the rider while jumping? It would make jump useless for offense.

I pulled off a nice mid-air javelin throw tonight and as awesome as it felt I think this is a perfectly viable solution and makes sense realistically too.

 

[cdvader]

I'd suggest a bigger damage penalty to the horse. Let's say, you charge a footman as a horseman. Suddenly, you notice he grabs for his spear. Now, if you jump up, you'll simply avoid the spear damage and continue on strolling. However, I'd say make it so when you jump into the air, you still get the lance damage (Gotta play around with the hitboxes, I guess), but also a bunch of extra damage, so you'd horse would either die or have very little HP left.

Because it'd be more logical. If you run into a spear, you'll get less damage than jumping into a spear.
cdvader

 

[kingofnoobia]

I'd suggest a bigger damage penalty to the horse. Let's say, you charge a footman as a horseman. Suddenly, you notice he grabs for his spear. Now, if you jump up, you'll simply avoid the spear damage and continue on strolling. However, I'd say make it so when you jump into the air, you still get the lance damage (Gotta play around with the hitboxes, I guess), but also a bunch of extra damage, so you'd horse would either die or have very little HP left.

Because it'd be more logical. If you run into a spear, you'll get less damage than jumping into a spear.
cdvader

But why just not disable attack when jumping? I can hardly imagine a rider jabbing with a lance or throwing a javelin in the middle of a jump.

 

[Róisín]

I'd suggest a bigger damage penalty to the horse. Let's say, you charge a footman as a horseman. Suddenly, you notice he grabs for his spear. Now, if you jump up, you'll simply avoid the spear damage and continue on strolling. However, I'd say make it so when you jump into the air, you still get the lance damage (Gotta play around with the hitboxes, I guess), but also a bunch of extra damage, so you'd horse would either die or have very little HP left.

Because it'd be more logical. If you run into a spear, you'll get less damage than jumping into a spear.
cdvader

But why just not disable attack when jumping? I can hardly imagine a rider jabbing with a lance or throwing a javelin in the middle of a jump.

Especially since most of those attacks go through the horse.

 

[cdvader]

kingofnoobia, agreed, but the main point here (as far as I understand it), is that when the horse jumps, you're not able to hit it.

 

[kingofnoobia]

kingofnoobia, agreed, but the main point here (as far as I understand it), is that when the horse jumps, you're not able to hit it.

I know that, but when you disable attack while jumping, horsemen don't have much reason to go all jumpy, since they can't use it to both dodge and attack at the same time, which I assume to be the problem here. If you are a horseman, and you can jump and attack, and you see a pikeman, you can say, "why not give it a try? I can jump right over him an jab him in the face". If you can't jump, you might think "Why bother to jump? I can' hit him that way anyways..." And he'd either steer clear of the pikeman or charge head-on, probably resulting in his death.

It could be that I misunderstand the problem though (I'm not in beta). Is the problem that they jump and attack you or just that they avoid pikemen by jumping if they accidentally get within their reach? If it is that, then I think they should be able to do that (perhaps not that high though). It just shouldn't become a tactic to actually defeat pikemen.

 

[Wolfen2k7]

jumping is the only way a horse can avoid a pike/spear/lance on the ground.. and I've been piked off my horse several times while in air...  but I have seen some horses jump off logs REEEEAAALLLY high.. lol what i hate about the horses is barely bumping someone and the horse stops.. -.- it's annoying.. but other times you can blow right through people.. unless they're on your team.. and of course.. stopping gets you a nice sword or pike to the head.. and the weapon reach on the horses suck anymore.. had no problems in single player with them =/ now i can't kill anyone with a sword mounted on a horse -.-

 

[Gabeed]

jumping is the only way a horse can avoid a pike/spear/lance on the ground.

Again, jumping shouldn't be a used to avoid pikes.  It's silly.  If English knights had just jumped like that over the Scottish schiltrons at Stirling and Bannockburn, Braveheart never would've been made.