Politics, young people, image and good looks

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kurczak

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As most of you probably don't know and don't care there are general elections in my country this weekend. I was discussing political prefrences of people who are about to vote for the first, second or third time in their lives with my friends. There was a general consensus that this group tends to consider itself as a bearer of "progress" in contrast to "the estabilishment" of previous generations. However there is a notable difference in what exactly is "progress" and "the estabilishment" in various parts of world. While young people in traditional democracies tend to view the right spectrum as "the estabilishment", in post-communist countries, the leftist parties, especially the communists, represent "the establishment".

There is no point in denying that as far mass politics go, it is image that defines who is "progressive" and who is "reactionary", so here is where your kind cooperation comes in. I would like to ask you to post pictures of your country's politicians and add descriptions of his (his party's) politics. Please note that I am interested in the nominal politics, at least as long as the person in questions retains some minimal credibility. So even if yoou personally consider somebody a fascist, market fundie, commie or whatever, please stick to whatever label the politician himself uses in reference to his person.

I would prefer if the pictures were official photos, no mugshots or papparazi photos, so that the photos are as comparable as possible.

Kindly describe the politician/party in terms of his/its stance on economics (free marketers - like Thatcher, Reagan etc., interventionists - German CDU/CSU, market socialists - Labour, various social democratic parties and planned economy - hardline communists who prefer none or next to none private ownership of means of production) and society (social liberal - pro abortions, pro gay marriages (or civil unions) , tends to exhibit anti-religious opinions/ social conservative - basically the opposite / neutral - the person/party doesn't have a pronounced stance on these issues or doesn't care about them at all) Again, please note that it is the nominal stance that is what interests me, so although you migh consider Reagan actual politics not free market at all or British Labour more pro free market then you like, let's go with what they say they are.

Please, post only politicians/parties with some power/infulence over the course of politics of your country.

Please, post always the chairman (or its equivalent) of a party first, followed by vice-chairmans or other politicians who are often featured in the media.

Also kindly note that the various labels are meant to be relative to the atmoshpere of the respective country. For example, Czech society is generally quite socially liberal, so what is socially conservative here, would be socially liberal in, I don't know, Texas or other steroetypical religious/conservative state.

Finally label politicans/parties that are according to your opinion most favoured by people roughly u to 30 years old.

Ok, so I'll start with my country (Czech reublic)  in hopefully not so naive and vain hope that I'll get some proper responses. :wink:

Let's start with Czech Social Democratic Party (market socialists, something between socially liberal and socially neutral)

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Civic Democratic Party ( free marketers, between socially conservative and socially neutral)

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Christian Democratic Union - Czech People's Party (interventionists, socially heavily conservative)
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The Greens (interventionists, socially very liberal)

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TOP09 (free marketers, socially neutral)
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Public Affairs/Matters/Things (I am not really sure how to translate this, it's Public Things literally) (interventionists, socially neutral)
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They are a new, one-man party, nobody knows anybody else but the chairman



People's Rights Party - The Zemanites
(market socialists, socially neutral )

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Same as the previous, one-man party, he (Miloš Zeman, hence the party's name) used to be the chairman of the Social democrats, but then retired from politics and now he's back with his new party,



Communist Party of Bohemia and Moravia (between market socialists to planned economy (two wings in the party), socially obscure = they tend to advocate various ethnic minorities, but are heavily anti-German at the same time, they are more or less in favour of gay marriage, but that it is discredited to a large extent by the history of persecution of homosexuals under the (Czech) communist regime, pro-abortion)

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People up to 30 years old used to tend to vote the mostly Civic Democratic Party with considerable minority being in favour of The Greens. After the crisis of CDP in the past few months the preferences shifted to TOP09 with considerable minority being in favour of The Greens.


Btw if the face of the chairman of TOP09 seems familiar to you, his full name in German is Karl Johannes Nepomuk Josef Norbert Friedrich Antonius Wratislaw Mena von und zu Schwarzenberg, a name which those of you intersted in history of Austria-Hungaria might recongize :wink:
 
OOOH OOOH I call AMERICA. I'll edit this in a few mins.

~~THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA~~
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We have only 2 main parties (Which are pretty much polar opposites).

Democrats
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Left-Winged and Liberal. Economic-wise, they seem to more or less favour turning the country into a welfare state (And thus favour bigger government). Socially they are Liberal as well (ie. Pro Gay Marriage, pro-choice, complete separation of church and state, anti-gun, anti-death penalty). Individually though, the viewpoints range from moderate-democrats to extremist democrats (Blue Dogs).

Democrats tend to be young, and most lower-class and minorities are Democrats.

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Republicans
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Right-Winged and Conservative. Economic-wise they are very capitalistic, favouring a more laissez-faire economic system, with very little government involvement and regulation. Socially they are very conservative. Most are strongly against gay-marriage, and are pro-life. Religion tends to be very important to the Republican party, most Republicans are Christian, and they're for bringing God and Uncle Sam closer together. They're also generally pro-gun, and pro-death penalty.

Republicans tend to be mostly white, old, Christian, and upper-class.

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Pretty good question, actually.

Yes he is. Here, the mullet is a media symbol of the Czech communism par excellence. It is kind of ironic that the guy is one of the most reformed communists in the CR. He has been even caught saying that private property has its place and role in the society :smile:

Edit: thanks, gamerwiz

To be honest Joe Biden looks pretty Republican to me (not just because he is old, it's something in his face that reminds me of Charlton Heston). On the other hand, if we talk strictly about image/style, I can imagine Sarah Palin being a Democrat, no problem. In this aspect, I don't see much difference between her and Nancy Pelosi.
 
Andalusian_Guard said:
Suspect-Device said:
Is that last guy sporting a mullet?

he also appears to be sporting the classic "Durrrr" face.

Hmm, the photo might have been taken recently after he got beaten by some gang. No one knows whether it was an "ordinary" assault or politicaly motivated one, since the offenders have not been caught and they didn't say anything (like no anti-communist insults) during the beating. That said, politicaly motivated violence is extremely rare here, so personally I think he was just unlucky that night.

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Edit: Ahem, I cross checked it and it seems that he claims they did shout some anti-communists insults and that they were bald and wearing military boots, so as long as his claim is enough for you, it was a case of political violence. Nevertheless, it is still true, that it is extremely rare here. Except for some harmless rotten eggs and tomatos tossing, hehe.
 
I'm really surprised that you haven't any relevant extremist right wing party in Czech, wow. Do you know the reason? It seems that in other eastern countries they are gaining a lot of votes
 
kurczak said:
To be honest Joe Biden looks pretty Republican to me (not just because he is old, it's something in his face that reminds me of Charlton Heston). On the other hand, if we talk strictly about image/style, I can imagine Sarah Palin being a Democrat, no problem. In this aspect, I don't see much difference between her and Nancy Pelosi.

Well that's why they hired her - in an attempt to get the surprisingly significant young person + horny bastard vote.

They certainly didn't get her for her policy-making skills  :lol:
 
TelcontarITA said:
I'm really surprised that you haven't any relevant extremist right wing party in Czech, wow. Do you know the reason? It seems that in other eastern countries they are gaining a lot of votes

No, we really don't have any. The only party that can be classified as extreme right wing gets 0,5 - 1,0 percent.

There is more than one way to explain it. CR is ethically very homogenous, we used to have about 30 percent of Germans, but we forced them to move out to Germany after WWII (it wasn't really nice, but it did happen and cannot be undone , most of them are already dead and the rest is quite happy in Germany now). Although our economy is doing ok, we are still not good enough for third-world immigrants. Also, there is no revanchist sentiment here, our borders are at our historical maximum (not counting medieval shortlived Premyslid "empire" and a few acres in Poland) and they are pretty natural, our state is basically a plain surrounded by a ring of mountains, so we are happy with what we have and hating each other :smile:
 
Christian Democratic Union

Aren't we supposed to keep religion and politics separate? Isn't this how it's done where you're from?  :neutral:
 
Andalusian_Guard said:
Vraid said:
Christian Democratic Union

Aren't we supposed to keep religion and politics separate? Isn't this how it's done where you're from?  :neutral:

Did religion molest you as a child or something?
No, it's molesting humanity.
 
Vraid said:
Andalusian_Guard said:
Vraid said:
Christian Democratic Union

Aren't we supposed to keep religion and politics separate? Isn't this how it's done where you're from?  :neutral:

Did religion molest you as a child or something?
No, it's molesting humanity.

Humanity is molesting itself, religion is just another scapegoat in the long line of scapegoats to stupid and violent things.

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Edit; You seem to have a illogically aggressive stance towards religion where you need to attack it every time it comes up.
 
It's not illogical. It's my personal feelings on the matter.
Like a  famous Mr Richard Dawkins, I'm anti-Theistic, and strong Atheist.

I didn't attack it, I asked you for validation about something you said.
 
Vraid said:
It's not illogical. It's my personal feelings on the matter.
Like a  famous Mr Richard Dawkins, I'm anti-Theistic, and strong Atheist.

I didn't attack it, I asked you for validation about something you said.

You are a young man and its highly unlikely youve had to look your own mortality in the face. Dont be so quick to judge something as negative that also gives people confort and answers to the unknown.
 
Don't call me ignorant because of my age. There are plenty of children out there that have more life experience than any adults. Not to mention that Theism is a topic I study. It doesn't give them answers to the unknown. It gives them temporary comfort.

I don't mean to offend you, but I hate it when people get preachy.
 
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