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cascinova

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Why are pirates so damned tough!  I attack them with twice as many veteran soldiers, and get my ass kicked.  They are like superhumans.  I think they need to be turned down a bit. 
 
I think it was made so because you need formidable opponents not only for your first 5 lvls. If all bandits/pirates will be easy enemy,  their presence in game will be useless when you reach 10th lvl or so.
 
I never had a problem with them later in the game when usually your running around with a minimum of 150 troops, for me usually i'm running with 300 to 400 later in the game, because I am trying to get them all trained up.  But I started a new game the other night, to try and play as an evil character, with horrible honor.  Basically like a raider / pirate.  And part of that is having a small but elite army , say 60 or so?  However right away I noticed even with the most elite guys I can get, I cant take out half as many pirates, it is a bit unbalanced in my opinion. I imported my character with 38 strength, and its still taking me 3 hits or so with a double handed axe to kill one pirate. 

 
Well, they are hwavy infantry. You can use different tactics, like use a skirmish troop that guard distance with them while thrown javelins.

Other opion is use flank tactics... etc...
Suggestions is you forget classical tactic of front charge when you fight with most superior troop than yours.
 
cascinova 说:
I never had a problem with them later in the game when usually your running around with a minimum of 150 troops, for me usually i'm running with 300 to 400 later in the game, because I am trying to get them all trained up.  But I started a new game the other night, to try and play as an evil character, with horrible honor.  Basically like a raider / pirate.  And part of that is having a small but elite army , say 60 or so?  However right away I noticed even with the most elite guys I can get, I cant take out half as many pirates, it is a bit unbalanced in my opinion. I imported my character with 38 strength, and its still taking me 3 hits or so with a double handed axe to kill one pirate.


Do you know what is the best sollution for your raider game?

Solo Frank and Dena parties, and recruit the prisoners to your party. Soon, you will have 30-40 pirates under your command, which is cool!

Soloing them:
- horse, some armor, shield, and a long reach sword (or maybe spear)
- circle around them until they are out of javelins
- and take the stray ones out one by one
- when their morale fails and they are routing, rampage, take out as much as you can

A healthy force of 30-40 pirates and 10 companions is all you need to have some fun.


EDIT:
Also, if you fight them with an army, with superior numbers, split your troops. Like group1 is left wing, group2 is right wing.
Throw one group at them, while the other is on 'follow me command' and lead that group to their backs  :grin:


EDIT2: please Idibil, don't une down pirates, they are the best in game
 
A good way to obtain quickly a lot of troops, linked to pirates.

Take a mission "Hunt & kill dena pirates" in a city. The mission has a long duration (60 days or something like that). Wait until 30 or 20 left. Then find them and attack them. They will be less but with sometimes 100 prisoners (I saw 130 once)

On the other hand, do not hesitate to attack young warriors in the southern regions. They often have many Denas or Franks as prisoners. Once i had 20 Dena and 2 franks, and some other interesting troops (2 or 3 bandit leaders, for example).
 
shikaka 说:
Solo Frank and Dena parties, and recruit the prisoners to your party. Soon, you will have 30-40 pirates under your command, which is cool!
Your plan has one major fail.  :mrgreen:
There is no prisoners management skill in Brytenwalda, so, if you don't have party - you don't have prisoners.  :razz:
 
Sobakozoid 说:
shikaka 说:
Solo Frank and Dena parties, and recruit the prisoners to your party. Soon, you will have 30-40 pirates under your command, which is cool!
Your plan has one major fail.  :mrgreen:
There is no prisoners management skill in Brytenwalda, so, if you don't have party - you don't have prisoners.  :razz:

It's based upon renown now, yes? If so just win a tournament or two and then do it. You can still recruit around ten or fifteen when you start anyway, I think that's the starting cap.
 
Gasket 说:
Sobakozoid 说:
shikaka 说:
Solo Frank and Dena parties, and recruit the prisoners to your party. Soon, you will have 30-40 pirates under your command, which is cool!
Your plan has one major fail.  :mrgreen:
There is no prisoners management skill in Brytenwalda, so, if you don't have party - you don't have prisoners.  :razz:

It's based upon renown now, yes?
No. It's based on party size.
 
The party limit is based on renown, the 'Prisoner Management' is based on numbers in your troop.
You can order your troops to use blunt weapons and the Irish recruits come with hayforks and blunt weapons, ideal for this purpose. They do go down quickly, though.
Companions tend to be a little tougher, just give them good blunt weapons.
 
UnholyNighmare 说:
The party limit is based on renown, the 'Prisoner Management' is based on numbers in your troop.
You can order your troops to use blunt weapons and the Irish recruits come with hayforks and blunt weapons, ideal for this purpose. They do go down quickly, though.
Companions tend to be a little tougher, just give them good blunt weapons.

Ah right, I see. It makes more sense I suppose.
 
yes you can, or you can attack young warriors who have Dena and Frank as prisoners.
Then no problem with prisoner management
 
Yes, good Idea Inarius.  I will attack the young warriors and free them and hire them. I don't mind if they are so tough if they are working for me! 

Can you imagine having a full army of say 300 pirates or franks? you could conquor the whole isles. 
 
I find the Young Warriors a bit tough for my early games, but then again recruiting prisoners is a huge hit on morale.
 
Yes,

In two battles (a mission of "hunting Masterless men", which were in southeast of England) + the 30 young warriors, i recruited 200 people, with 50 Dena, 5 capitains of ship and 5 Franks. I also took 20 Cavalries and some Hv Infantries.

Take as much "hunt bandits" mission as you can, and let them wander. While wandering, they will weaken, and at last you will fight only 10 bandits, with many prisoners.

Now i have 70 Dena/Frank/Capitain in my Lair.

But also 6000 denars of upkeep even when in lair, so i had to build a lot of winery and brewery to be able to sustain it !

The fact is that i am not in any faction for now, so no revenue from villages.
I think in attacking the Isle of Man to take the castle :smile:

Another trick (very useful) : always keep some cavalry as prisoners while traveling. They speed you, and you don't have to feed nor to pay them. I passed from 6.2 to 6.5 just with 5-10 light cavalry as prisoners.

 
Heh I love those Dena's and Franks I'd trade a few Irish lad for them any DAY! Long as they take them alive and healthy as a horse for me. xb. This is how i go about

"HIRING IRISH LADS FOR MAN HUNT"

(pick up few recruits out number the pirates)

"Where we going Sire?"

"Man hunting lad, pick up a truncheon and lets go!"

"Right behind ya milord!"

"BE SURE TO KNOCK Em' bloody bastards out!, if you hurt them anymore then knocking em cold it'd cost more then your skin they are worth so much more then thee bloodied LIFE~!"
 
Wu-long 说:
Heh I love those Dena's and Franks I'd trade a few Irish lad for them any DAY! Long as they take them alive and healthy as a horse for me. xb. This is how i go about

"HIRING IRISH LADS FOR MAN HUNT"

(pick up few recruits out number the pirates)

"Where we going Sire?"

"Man hunting lad, pick up a truncheon and lets go!"

"Right behind ya milord!"

"BE SURE TO KNOCK Em' bloody bastards out!, if you hurt them anymore then knocking em cold it'd cost more then your skin they are worth so much more then thee bloodied LIFE~!"
:lol: At least someone knows how to roleplay in this game.
 
UnholyNighmare 说:
Wu-long 说:
Heh I love those Dena's and Franks I'd trade a few Irish lad for them any DAY! Long as they take them alive and healthy as a horse for me. xb. This is how i go about

"HIRING IRISH LADS FOR MAN HUNT"

(pick up few recruits out number the pirates)

"Where we going Sire?"

"Man hunting lad, pick up a truncheon and lets go!"

"Right behind ya milord!"

"BE SURE TO KNOCK Em' bloody bastards out!, if you hurt them anymore then knocking em cold it'd cost more then your skin they are worth so much more then thee bloodied LIFE~!"
:lol: At least someone knows how to roleplay in this game.

What can I say it is a vital aspect for gaming :wink: things get boring without some acting XD
 
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