Patch Notes v1.2.12

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RobbieRocket said:
Thanks for the response. I think you've just backed my point up to some extent. I'm not quite sure about the "people like you..." comment, feel free to elaborate on exactly who/what "people like me" are. Here, let me put this another way, in fact I'll make 2 points:
  • If the game has failed on the 8 bullet points you have made, I would ask if you have brought this to the attention of Taleworlds via this forum at any stage? My presumptuous answer is that yes, you probably have, and so I would ask how has that gone for you? My comment wasn't to say you are unjust or wrong to feel the way you do, but that going about things with a forum sledgehammer apparently hasn't worked. Otherwise, why would you be here slandering "people like me" who have actually had a terrific experience with the game. I also see that you have jumped on others' responses, if they have a different perspective to yours, almost as if having an alternate experience or perspective is an attack on you. I've played over 5000 hours on Bannerlord because I enjoyed my experience.
  • My second point follows on from that and is about personal experience. You cannot tell me what my personal experience has been, only I can relay that. In the same way, I cannot tell you what your personal experience has been. I'm not trying to, and I certainly wasn't saying the game is perfect for everyone - it can't be, I can read, and the forums are littered with feedback. My point was related to the way points are brought forwards. It reads as disgruntlement, anger, frustration, disappointment but too often when people voice these feelings in a less respectful or aggressive way it isn't conducive to bringing about change, but instead the expression serves as a sounding board (or punch bag) for someone and their collective beefs in life. In fact, you have broadened your assault to include 4 other games. At this point, you might address your post with "The problem with the state of games today, a (slightly miffed) reflection".
  • My third point, why not? Why are you posting on this forum? Truly? Is there something in the game that stirs your good feeling, that brings you back here. I truly hope so, please bring it. Otherwise, this just becomes a generic forum of opinion bashing. "The problem with the state of games' forums these days, a reflection".
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I don’t recall saying that all players had a bad experience with the game. But let me flip that question back on you: why are you posting positive feedback on the forums? I mean, if my “forum sledgehammer” approach isn’t going to change anything for the devs, surely your glowing review won’t either, right? So, why bother posting?

The way I see it, there are really only two ways to get a reaction:
  1. Present a well-constructed argument that no one (especially TaleWorlds) will actually read.
  2. Piss people off.
And, well, I’m French, so it’s pretty clear which option I went with! 😉

But jokes aside, take a moment to look at what’s happening here. You’re engaging with my opinion, debating it, and giving it visibility—all while I’m just a random nobody on the internet. So really, I’d say I’ve already achieved my goal, wouldn’t you?
 
not-tancfire said:
I agree with you that this isn’t some calculated scam; it’s simply a case of poor delivery. However, that doesn’t absolve TaleWorlds of responsibility. Mistakes are understandable, but it’s how you respond to them that matters.

I understand that mistakes can happen without malicious intent. However, what I hold against TaleWorlds is their inadequate response to these errors, which I perceive as disrespectful to their player base. I can forgive developers for making mistakes; what I find hard to overlook is a lack of respect in addressing them.
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not-tancfire said:
Given these resources and the time since the full release (October 25, 2022), TaleWorlds has had every opportunity to address the game’s issues. Today is December 13, 2024—over two years later—and many problems persist.

I also believe TaleWorlds is losing its player base. On this forum, we represent the core audience—the die-hard fans who are still engaged—but that makes it harder to notice the broader trend. If you look at the comments on the news of the release (Steam event comments), it’s clear that many players have had enough. A majority of the feedback there is negative.

Ultimately, this comes down to a difference in perspective. I believe the game is beyond saving and that version 1.3 won’t make a significant difference, while you remain optimistic. Neither of us can predict the future (unless you happen to have the next lottery numbers, in which case, let me know!), so I guess we’ll just have to wait and see. For my part, I sincerely hope TaleWorlds proves me wrong.
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This is the core of the entire issue with TW and the running theme and issue is with this game; or better clarified, the studio, not the game. The game is what it is at this point, no 1.3 patch will fix it except reset mods, nothing we saw since 2020 to now addressed it, what expectation will another one to it?

Yet, they continue to go with this "we will share once we have more info/progress" blurb, as they have over a year, yet we have received zero updates and zero info, so, no progress I guess?

If this game, as is, was still in EA, I'd put up and shut up (and wait), they ignored a bunch of feedback in this forum (relatively the "main" forum during EA for feedback) and knew the game was not complete, yet, proceeded to jam that "full release" to all platforms which was a mistake. Whether that's due to the delay/lack of progress from the devs, or the management changes, or the owner's decision to push release, running low on cash, etc...we don't know, nor is that my business.
 
Is there any reason to think that a big content update is actually being worked on? The so-called anniversary update is just some minor and inconsequential bug fixes that only exist to break everyone's mod lists, and multiplayer has been the same unbalanced POS since 2021 that anyone looking at the state of it throughout the years should realize that the bad balancing is intentional.
 
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I would rather them stop updating the game and let the mods run loose. What we want them to do has already been done by modders to an extent. Now they have players who's gameplay was ruined by constant crashes so they are content for where it is.
 
not-tancfire said:
I don’t recall saying that all players had a bad experience with the game. But let me flip that question back on you: why are you posting positive feedback on the forums? I mean, if my “forum sledgehammer” approach isn’t going to change anything for the devs, surely your glowing review won’t either, right? So, why bother posting?

The way I see it, there are really only two ways to get a reaction:
  1. Present a well-constructed argument that no one (especially TaleWorlds) will actually read.
  2. Piss people off.
And, well, I’m French, so it’s pretty clear which option I went with! 😉

But jokes aside, take a moment to look at what’s happening here. You’re engaging with my opinion, debating it, and giving it visibility—all while I’m just a random nobody on the internet. So really, I’d say I’ve already achieved my goal, wouldn’t you?
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You explained it well with the French part... (joke). Bon usage de l'anglais, d'ailleurs!

If justifying your post for me is your point for replying, then sure we're done. Looking for a reaction or attention got it. However, this reaction was from me (largely a response to trolling with hindsight) and because I felt that this wasn't representative of myself (and perhaps others who play Bannerlord) and so anyone involved in generating content for a game I've thoroughly enjoyed should know that. In my opinion, your post was a from a moody, moany, entitled point of view, which you extended to rudeness, by then having a "go" at me.

The point of me posting, is that I read there might be new content, and was excited, because the thought of some new content at some point in the future is better than no content at all and I wanted to see if there was any more information or informed speculation. I'm probably older than you and when I was younger I dreamed of games controlling and being a part of with large armies of individually responding troops. This game has been the first to represent this (for me) and I think parts of it are extremely well made. You must do too, otherwise I can't think why you would be posting on some lost and forsaken forum (aside from revelling in spikey human interaction and dark therapy for a gaming love lost). I wasn't aware I gave the game a full review, but yes I did show positivity.

I actually wrote out a list of things that could be improved or added (for myself) as I felt in a position to do so having played the PS5 version (no mods) for over 5000 hours. I have pages of spreadsheets of data, testing, ideas, clan management, hero progression, inventory aids and even developed my own classes and retirement rules: Improvements I have written out include quality of life for console, user interface improvements, ideas for expansion, degradation of skills with age, customisation, resurrection of old/minor clans into new factions to allow further game evolution, and countless more items.

Yes, I'm grateful for the experience and positive about the future. We have different ways of going about things. And, I believe we're done here.
Happy gaming.
 
not-tancfire said:
  • Rushed release: They decided to leave Early Access not because the game was ready, but because they wanted to hit the console market. Quality? Nah, just slap a 1.0 sticker on it and hope for the best.
  • Custom engine: Building their own engine when they clearly don’t have the expertise was a bold move. The result? Years of delays for a product that doesn’t even feel innovative.
  • Priorities: Who is this patch for? Certainly not the players. Nobody asked for Aserai helmets in shops or perfectly loading News items. Meanwhile, the game-breaking issues persist.
  • Communication: Their communication strategy is basically a masterclass in ghosting. Vague promises, no roadmaps, and silence when it comes to real player concerns.
  • Modding community: The modders are the only ones injecting life and actual content into this game. TaleWorlds’ response? Let’s break their work with every update! Bravo, truly inspiring.
  • Design expertise: Or rather, the lack thereof. Despite countless player suggestions (many made years ago), TaleWorlds seems utterly uninterested in improving core gameplay. It’s like they’re allergic to feedback.
  • Missing features: Where are all the features we were promised during Early Access? It’s been over a year since the "release," and we’re still waiting.
  • Persistent issues: Cheaters, physics bugs with ladders, and more—problems that have been reported for years. Ignored. Utterly ignored.
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give me a list of futures you were promised during early and are missing.
I guess people will be people, but you are another one totally giving false statements and i want to see them backed with some actual statements made by taleworlds.


> I would rather them stop updating the game and let the mods run loose. What we want them to do has already been done by modders to an extent. Now they have players who's gameplay was ruined by constant crashes so they are content for where it is.

This community will be the death of the game, not the lack of stuff. Truth be told, it ain't even gonna die ;D Its just you dummies gonna find another game to bash and move on, and that day we, the community, will have a great time enjoying this game again.
 
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Listen here Tywin , me and you have had a conversation already and concluded “you are content” good for you. You and Ganderah are legit liege lords of Taleworlds. You enjoyed it so much you feel compelled to defend them. Skyrim was the only game that crashed on me somewhat frequently and it honestly didn’t stop me from playing and going back to it. Just because we aren’t satisfied you assume we wont be satisfied with anything. These mini fixes you prioritize should have been dealt with before “full release”.
 
SpartanBG said:
give me a list of futures you were promised during early and are missing.
I guess people will be people, but you are another one totally giving false statements and i want to see them backed with some actual statements made by taleworlds.


> I would rather them stop updating the game and let the mods run loose. What we want them to do has already been done by modders to an extent. Now they have players who's gameplay was ruined by constant crashes so they are content for where it is.

This community will be the death of the game, not the lack of stuff. Truth be told, it ain't even gonna die ;D Its just you dummies gonna find another game to bash and move on, and that day we, the community, will have a great time enjoying this game again.
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* Except that leaving the work to modders misses the mark for console users....
 
Piconi said:
Hi everyone, the v1.2.12 patch has been pushed to PlayStation and Xbox (Microsoft PC Store and Consoles). Enjoy!
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Does this update fix the achievements on Xbox? 4 Achievements are not unlockable. 3 have been broken since launch. One was broken in the December 2023 patch.
 
Vok 250 said:
Does this update fix the achievements on Xbox? 4 Achievements are not unlockable. 3 have been broken since launch. One was broken in the December 2023 patch.
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it didn’t mention anything about achievements so probably not. You may have to open a ticket about that one especially since its been ongoing
 
SpartanBG said:
pretty sure if you go to page 1 of this topic, you'll see the fixes.
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They don't actually list everything fixed. Very few software teams are that explicit in release notes. Usually PMs and Community Managers heavily edit the notes to communicate a specific message. On Xbox for example we got new maps for Captains mode and a complete overhaul of AI behaviors which are not mentioned in the post at all.

Did they actually announce when the PS5 players got their trophies fixed?
 
Lokey7800 said:
it didn’t mention anything about achievements so probably not. You may have to open a ticket about that one especially since its been ongoing
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There's been a ticket in the support forums for Consoles since 2022. Every once and a while the threads get closed and we open a new one. Currently Hela's thread is the top thread in that category. It's been open since July.
 
Vok 250 said:
They don't actually list everything fixed. Very few software teams are that explicit in release notes. Usually PMs and Community Managers heavily edit the notes to communicate a specific message. On Xbox for example we got new maps for Captains mode and a complete overhaul of AI behaviors which are not mentioned in the post at all.

Did they actually announce when the PS5 players got their trophies fixed?
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Well what's the point of giving a fix list if you won't mention everything fixed? Like why bother posting one at all? I presume xbox is catching up on pc fixes.

I'm sure they are also improving their engine, but those are need to know. I'd presume everything game related would be posted, not only to keep track of it, but to keep the community happy as well.
 
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SpartanBG said:
Well what's the point of giving a fix list if you won't mention everything fixed? Like why bother posting one at all? I presume xbox is catching up on pc fixes.
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If someone bothers about reading a post attached to a new patch, he is interested what TW changed.
 
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