Paleolithic: Fight for the Homo Genus. RELEASED.

[Voutare]

They would usually do cattle raids, or rob them of their property.

 

[Feerspoir]

They would usually do cattle raids, or rob them of their property.

There was no domesticated cattle in the paleolithic and nothing worth robbing, everything a community "possessed" could be easily built by the other one.
The one thing they might rob would be women and children, so as to replenish the community's numbers, but this they would do at night, when the danger of real combat would be less.

 

[smaug_the_dragon]

There was no domesticated cattle in the paleolithic and nothing worth robbing, everything a community "possessed" could be easily built by the other one.
The one thing they might rob would be women and children, so as to replenish the community's numbers, but this they would do at night, when the danger of real combat would be less.

They would usually do cattle raids, or rob them of their property.

Shields were first invented to protect the bearer from stone tip arrows and were made of wicker, IIRC. The reason for that being that to protect yourself against a hand weapon you could use your own, but to protect yourself from arrows, you needed something different and new.
Since neither the bow nor the knowledge of "wicker making" (don't know the English term) existed back then, you just didn't need a shield. Most technical inventions come from a need of the indivdual or collective to come up with solution to a new problem.
Second point, there was no conflict as we construe the meaning nowadays. Communities were very much away from each other and they were very small, the concept of property didn't exist and due to the diet that people had at the time, they had to save all energy for the things that really mattered, so one community going against the other and killing each other, except in very extreme cases, just didn't happen: most of the time they would just shout and brandish their weapons at each other, to see who would flinch first.

The one problem with this setting is that all of the above is heresay.  Sceientists can examine all they want, and archeolisgist can dig all they want, but in all truth, all they know about these people are there bones, (and precious little to go on for that) and there garbage, the things they threw away.  You can't really say this is how it was because no one knows how it was,  except for those people.  Flood, fires, extreame storms, predetors and simply time, can dramatically change what is left buried, and how it is burried,(unless it was burried extreamly fast, and how often does that happen).  So I guess the problem is only a problem from a historical viewpoint.  From a gaming viewpoint he has the freedom to pretty much make it however he wanted.

 

[Dwinny]

Second point, there was no conflict as we construe the meaning nowadays. Communities were very much away from each other and they were very small, the concept of property didn't exist and due to the diet that people had at the time, they had to save all energy for the things that really mattered, so one community going against the other and killing each other, except in very extreme cases, just didn't happen: most of the time they would just shout and brandish their weapons at each other, to see who would flinch first.

In that case, there would be no point of this mod! I think you're forgetting that this is a GAME above all else, and because of that, it's necessary to skew history (though you can't really call it history) a little for the sake of gameplay. And in this alternate reality that closely resembles the Paleolithic period, war DOES exist, and therefore, the need for weapons of war would arise.

As for Paleolithians not possessing the knowledge of wickerwork, again, use your imagination here. How about an arragement of sticks tied together? That could serve as a shield.

 

[Eother]

Don't limit yourself due to "history" that is 99.9% speculation.

Also, I would love to see dinosaur mounts. Screw your history!

Nah, I'm not serious about the mounts.

 

[13 Spider Bloody Chain]

I'd love to see "naval battles", i.e. one dude on a raft throwing rocks at the fishing boat of another guy. 

 

[Eother]

I'd love to see "naval battles", i.e. one dude on a raft throwing rocks at the fishing boat of another guy. 

Hehe, that would be pretty funny. Although, they were tossing around ideas of it being during an Ice Age, so that could present certain problems. 

 

[Haupper]

Well, if the weapons are appropriately balanced, the idea of a no shield mod looks quite attractive, especially since these very shields are controversial.

At the very least it makes soloing much more difficult, and maintaining a party becomes of paramount importance.

It might also be fun to see bows in here, and it might add to the experience if they were mostly inaccurate (maybe except a "best" bow), since the craftmanship probably was mediocre at best at that time. And assume that arrows >> stones, lowering the accuracy would dampen the cro-magnon advantage.

Horray for dinos and flaming torches!

 

[Voutare]

At the very least it makes soloing much more difficult, and maintaining a party becomes of paramount importance.

A goal in itself. I want to present it as "You won't survive alone, just like your ancient ancestors."

 

[Eother]

That's a good slogan.

 

[pmdezso]

well, there could be animal herd icons, that represent towns, but move (can town locations be movable?) because mostly these people relied on following the herd of (oxen, ancient cattle, goats, ect.) but did not domesticate the animals.

 

[ArabArcher35]

well, there could be animal herd icons, that represent towns, but move (can town locations be movable?) because mostly these people relied on following the herd of (oxen, ancient cattle, goats, ect.) but did not domesticate the animals.

... Huh? No, stop talking until you know what you're talking about. All human life around this time was made up of small groups of hunter-gatherers. No animals. Maybe dogs, but I'm not quite sure about that.

 

[Haupper]

A goal in itself. I want to present it as "You won't survive alone, just like your ancient ancestors."

So I take it as a 'no shield'?

 

[Dwinny]

well, there could be animal herd icons, that represent towns, but move (can town locations be movable?) because mostly these people relied on following the herd of (oxen, ancient cattle, goats, ect.) but did not domesticate the animals.

... Huh? No, stop talking until you know what you're talking about. All human life around this time was made up of small groups of hunter-gatherers. No animals. Maybe dogs, but I'm not quite sure about that.

I think he's means you'd have human parties follow "animal" parties to represent hunting and following herds of animals.

 

[pmdezso]

Woo-hoo you understood!

 

[Chilly5]

well, there could be animal herd icons, that represent towns, but move (can town locations be movable?) because mostly these people relied on following the herd of (oxen, ancient cattle, goats, ect.) but did not domesticate the animals.

... Huh? No, stop talking until you know what you're talking about. All human life around this time was made up of small groups of hunter-gatherers. No animals. Maybe dogs, but I'm not quite sure about that.

He's talking about Nomads...though dont ask me whether or not nomads exsisted in this time period.

 

[Tuckles]

Flint Hand-Axe, I hope you'll like and take it!

 

[DJNad]

That looks very cool!!!!

BTW I am amazed at the response this thread had.... I mean, not that much has even been by Voutare, and already everyone is debating with fury.... this looks like it will be a VERY popular mod

 

[Tuckles]

It's an interesting topic.

I'm going to try a wooden javelin and a bone spear next.

 

[Balinux]

He's talking about Nomads...though dont ask me whether or not nomads exsisted in this time period.

This time period was all about nomads. As for the shields, ancient mummies of those times and more recent ones even are frequently found with their weapons and clothes and even food samples, but never with shields.