OSCE invited to monitor U.S. election, Texas say F off.

[wrc]

Shouldn't this question be a federal matter considering it's a presidential election, not voting for a governor or senator at the state level? To be honest, I would somehow understand if their federal government told them to **** off, but when only one state does that then it really sounds ridiculous.

 

[rejenorst]

Mage is a pretty decent and lovable guy, just because he is loyal towards his country and holds questionable beliefs towads a rogue facist state known for the extreme racial or cultural supremacy outbursts of it's politicians is by no means an excuse to abandon him.

I shall give Mage the pity sex.

Shouldn't this question be a federal matter considering it's a presidential election, not voting for a governor or senator at the state level? To be honest, I would somehow understand if their federal government told them to **** off, but when only one state does that then it really sounds ridiculous.

Well the U.S. supports the OSCE's work in countries like Belarus, it would go a long way to lending some legitimacy to their work if the U.S. maintained a welcoming position to them. In this case afaik the federal government does even if some states act like twats.

But take the Hague international court for example. The U.S. supports its operations overseas (particularly in countries that are not allied to the states) but won't sign onto it themselves afaik making the organization seem somewhat of a useful tool for U.S. double standards.

As I have mentioned before, the U.S. criticizes the legitimacy of elections in other countries such as Russia and Iran (in some cases wrongfully since a U.S. university already stated that in its survey studies in Iran showed there was no cause for doubt in the election results). It is in the U.S.' interests to maintain an open door to foreign monitoring of its elections in order to foster enough clout as an international  role-model. Borrowing a page from Mage on the subject of Iran vs suspicions; to avoid suspicion of hypocrisy its in the states best interests to allow the OSCE to come in and monitor. I think Mage himself stated that the states would probably like to avoid a possible or potential **** cluster resulting from their new voter ID plan.
Most plans when implemented for the first time tend to have a few hiccups which could cause an embarrassment. 

A lack of cooperation with the OSCE however may or may not compound that embarrassment later on.

 

[Jhessail]

Funniest thing is that OSCE has monitored previous elections in the States. This is all about the new Voter ID laws that have, so far, been deemed unconstitutional and which try to prevent the growing black/latino populations from turning these Red state into Blue states.

 

[kurczak]

Hehe, that's probably the first time since WWI the Democrats want to reduce red tape


Tbh, I don't see what the big deal is anyway, photo IDs are required in all (?) of Europe and nobody's *****ing that it discriminates against the darkies or whatever is their alleged effect in the US.

 

[Jhessail]

Apparently its about the price and what the requirements for getting one are.

 

[In Vain]

[quote author= en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_Laws_in_the_United_States]
states that require Voter ID must provide an ID to voters at no cost.
[/quote]

And what would be the requirements except being a U.S. citizen?

 

[AWdeV]

Well the timing is ****ing off anyhow. There's four years between every election where they can think of and implement stuff like that. Cramming it in during the election season is just ****ty.

 

[wrc]

But take the Hague international court for example. The U.S. supports its operations overseas (particularly in countries that are not allied to the states) but won't sign onto it themselves afaik making the organization seem somewhat of a useful tool for U.S. double standards.

As I have mentioned before, the U.S. criticizes the legitimacy of elections in other countries such as Russia and Iran (in some cases wrongfully since a U.S. university already stated that in its survey studies in Iran showed there was no cause for doubt in the election results). It is in the U.S.' interests to maintain an open door to foreign monitoring of its elections in order to foster enough clout as an international  role-model. Borrowing a page from Mage on the subject of Iran vs suspicions; to avoid suspicion of hypocrisy its in the states best interests to allow the OSCE to come in and monitor. I think Mage himself stated that the states would probably like to avoid a possible or potential **** cluster resulting from their new voter ID plan.
Most plans when implemented for the first time tend to have a few hiccups which could cause an embarrassment. 
A lack of cooperation with the OSCE however may or may not compound that embarrassment later on.

I'm perfectly aware of the way how double standards are applied. I just fail to see how the EU politics toward these things is less hypocritical than the one carried out by the US.

 

[Mage246]

Mage is a true patriot and will defend America against attacks on the Internet, right or wrong. On alternate days, he switches from Captain America to Captain AIPAC.

wait wat

Defends America and Israel regardless of facts. Is heavily biased and unfunny.

You are welcome to your own opinions, even if they are foolish.

 

[Adorno]

Tbh, I don't see what the big deal is anyway, photo IDs are required in all (?) of Europe and nobody's *****ing that it discriminates against the darkies or whatever is their alleged effect in the US.

Not in Denmark. You just have to be a registered citizen and a voting form is sent to you.
You need to do nothing but show up with the voter form.
(At the election last year the 'voting percentage' was 87!)

 

[Mad Vader]

Tbh, I don't see what the big deal is anyway, photo IDs are required in all (?) of Europe and nobody's *****ing that it discriminates against the darkies or whatever is their alleged effect in the US.

Not in Denmark. You just have to be a registered citizen and a voting form is sent to you.
You need to do nothing but show up with the voter form.
(At the election last year the 'voting percentage' was 87!)

Isn't that risky for democracy? What if there is someone coercing you to vote in a certain way, and makes you fill out the form in front of him, then escorts you to the polling place. Voting in a polling booth, in complete anonymity, safeguards against this.
Imagine it's a bossy girlfriend that makes you vote against your preferences.

[quote author= en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_ID_Laws_in_the_United_States]
states that require Voter ID must provide an ID to voters at no cost.

And what would be the requirements except being a U.S. citizen?

You must vote for republicans to meet all the requirements.
[/quote]

 

[rejenorst]

I'm perfectly aware of the way how double standards are applied. I just fail to see how the EU politics toward these things is less hypocritical than the one carried out by the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't but the U.S. is the worlds leading exporter of democracy (by force) and the continued shining beacon of light for all things democratic and freedom. So what's good for others should be good for the states. if its not then don't bother endorsing it onto other countries.

Funniest thing is that OSCE has monitored previous elections in the States. This is all about the new Voter ID laws that have, so far, been deemed unconstitutional and which try to prevent the growing black/latino populations from turning these Red state into Blue states.

Yeah the OSCE has done some monitoring in the states before. I don't think the Federal government is against it.

 

[Sir Saladin]

The same Republicans who are always screaming about how the imaginary Obama they invented is trying to turn the U.S. into a European socialist state with a population of lazy loafers suddenly want to say that the Europeans require voter I.D. cards so we should too. They can only do so much with herding the undesirable Democratic voters away from the voting booths and accidentally leaving sacks full of ballots uncounted, they need to come up with some new idea so all of a sudden the Europeans know what they are doing.

Requiring voter I.D. cards is a solution in search of a problem because there is no big voter fraud problem, the fraud is coming from somewhere else and no fancy cards will fix that.

I'm not saying all of our elections are rigged I'm just getting annoyed by this I.D. card malarkey.

 

[AWdeV]

Tbh, I don't see what the big deal is anyway, photo IDs are required in all (?) of Europe and nobody's *****ing that it discriminates against the darkies or whatever is their alleged effect in the US.

Not in Denmark. You just have to be a registered citizen and a voting form is sent to you.
You need to do nothing but show up with the voter form.
(At the election last year the 'voting percentage' was 87!)

Isn't that risky for democracy? What if there is someone coercing you to vote in a certain way, and makes you fill out the form in front of him, then escorts you to the polling place. Voting in a polling booth, in complete anonymity, safeguards against this.
Imagine it's a bossy girlfriend that makes you vote against your preferences.

I imagine that it's just a form you have to show to the officials after which they give you a form to fill in an anonymous booth. Like we do over here. After you've filled it in, you fold it up and stick it in a locked container with a single slit for letting in the forms.

 

[Mage246]

I'm perfectly aware of the way how double standards are applied. I just fail to see how the EU politics toward these things is less hypocritical than the one carried out by the US.

I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't but the U.S. is the worlds leading exporter of democracy (by force) and the continued shining beacon of light for all things democratic and freedom. So what's good for others should be good for the states. if its not then don't bother endorsing it onto other countries.

Funniest thing is that OSCE has monitored previous elections in the States. This is all about the new Voter ID laws that have, so far, been deemed unconstitutional and which try to prevent the growing black/latino populations from turning these Red state into Blue states.

Yeah the OSCE has done some monitoring in the states before. I don't think the Federal government is against it.

In the same post you've just said that the US is both for and against it.

 

[rejenorst]

Nope.

My first message was a response to Workaholic's notion that:

I just fail to see how the EU politics toward these things is less hypocritical than the one carried out by the US.

I am stating the reasons for benefit and the reasons for why the U.S. should maintain some consistency regardless.

 

[Mage246]

Sounds like it is consistent on a national level. Texas doesn't decide foreign policy for the rest of the country.

 

[kurczak]

Apparently its about the price and what the requirements for getting one are.

I was under the impression that the ID itself is free. The cost is supposed to be more along the lines of the opportunity cost like they have to take a day off and travel to the county seat or whatever. If that's the case, then criticizing it on the grounds that it's discriminatory borders on hysteria imo. By the same token, driver's licenses or passports are racist too.

The timing is pretty lame though.

Tbh, I don't see what the big deal is anyway, photo IDs are required in all (?) of Europe and nobody's *****ing that it discriminates against the darkies or whatever is their alleged effect in the US.

Not in Denmark. You just have to be a registered citizen and a voting form is sent to you.
You need to do nothing but show up with the voter form.
(At the election last year the 'voting percentage' was 87!)

Hence the question mark. They are mandatory in a lot of countries.

But purely out of curiosity - how does it work? Is it sent to you as ordinary mail or some sort of certified mail? I mean, do you need an ID to have it delivered or does the mailman just throw it in the mailbox?

 

[Adorno]

It's just thrown in the mailbox (it's delivered according to social security number, that everyone has)
And about extortion: the voting is done in a booth alone so there's no way of forcing someone to a specific vote that way.
CEO's of American companies are much better at that 

 

[Taimat396]

About the voter ID bull****: What about the guy outright saying 'voter ID laws will win Romney the election' etc?