Operation Pillar of Defense Launched

[Feragorn]

Going back to the phosphorous bull****, I thought we'd established the Goldstone report had a significant political bias towards it and even the International Red Cross stated that there was no reason to believe white phosphorous rounds were used in any illegal capacity.

In any case, I hope hostilities cool down soon. I've got quite a few friends who've been sleeping in their shelters for the past week.

 

[Suspicous Pilgrim]

My cousin is in the Israeli intelligence. Wonder what sort of crazy stuff he's up to.




Hope every last one of those Hamas ****ers will either hang their suicide vests on the coathanger or get blown to smithereens by a high precision rocket.

 

[Radalan]

Are you suggesting that if the U.S. had simply abstained on any or all of those votes instead of vetoing them, that it would have made any real difference in how Israel plays?

Are you suggesting that it wouldn't?

Hope every last one of those Hamas ****ers will either hang their suicide vests on the coathanger or get blown to smithereens by a high precision rocket.

Hamas isn't twenty guys with rpgs. It's the 'government' of Gaza.

 

[Suspicous Pilgrim]

More like occupiers.



Israel being invaded would be extremely hard, considering they have a large and modern army in a very small area that are very easy to mobilize. Of course, no one can be too sure on how it would work, because no 21st century modern armies have really fought each other, one side has always had a clear technological superiority.

 

[Radalan]

More like occupiers.

That's not really possible since Israel is doing most of the occupying in that area.

 

[Almalexia]

I don't see how that makes it impossible.

 

[Kobrag]

My cousin is in the Israeli intelligence. Wonder what sort of crazy stuff he's up to.




Hope every last one of those Hamas ****ers will either hang their suicide vests on the coathanger or get blown to smithereens by a high precision rocket.

Well it's hard to sympathise withpeople who don;t try and get along.
One side drives the other into pockets of poverty, or forces them into homlessness. Causing them to either A) take up arms in revenge/justice or B) die in the desert.

The other, instead of unifying and applying political pressure to aquire citizenship or have more attention put onto Isreals own illegal activites (Nuclear proliferation, settlements, forcivley moving the original land occupants in what seems to be a drive for cultural/racial purity.) They continue to rain rockets and initiate attacks in return for world condemnation, assasination or the complete leveling of the entire area they house in.

Edit: I really tried hard to eliminate most of my personal bias out of this. =[

 

[Suspicous Pilgrim]

Men aren't driven to join a terrorist organization by desperation. They're driven by hatred. Otherwise, we'd see huge, HUGE amounts of Hamas terrorists.




I'm sorry, but the notion that Israelis are going for racial purity is ridiculous and can only be said by someone who's never been to Israel. Besides the US, Israel probably has the largest amounts of cultures and ethnicities coexisting in an extremely small area.


Meanwhile, Muslim countries have people killing each other over interreligous differences. Pathetic.

 

[Argeus the Paladin]

Men aren't driven to join a terrorist organization by desperation. They're driven by hatred. Otherwise, we'd see huge, HUGE amounts of Hamas terrorists.

Though you can argue that it's not entirely a leap of faith from desperation to hatred. Especially when Israel's hands isn't exactly clean in that regard.

 

[Kobrag]

Men aren't driven to join a terrorist organization by desperation. They're driven by hatred. Otherwise, we'd see huge, HUGE amounts of Hamas terrorists.




I'm sorry, but the notion that Israelis are going for racial purity is ridiculous and can only be said by someone who's never been to Israel. Besides the US, Israel probably has the largest amounts of cultures and ethnicities coexisting in an extremely small area.


Meanwhile, Muslim countries have people killing each other over interreligous differences. Pathetic.

Then why aren;t palestinian refugees allowed citizenship?
One thing that always comes up: "They would dilute our culture" "Isreal would cease to exist" etc

And the language of the political powers in Isreal has always contained racially charged rhetoric. Rej posted a list I think, in one of the other threads.

Edit: And again,  I mention the abuses suffered by the Ethiopian Jews, or beta isrealis.

 

[Bromden]

Those Pillars of Defense are way deep in enemy territory. Defense my ass.

 

[Untitled.]

Those Pillars of Defense are way deep in enemy territory. Defense my ass.

That depends on what you consider is enemy territory and what is your own back yard.

 

[Bromden]

Well, wars start because of that dilemma. But I'd say anything you must shoot at with long rage rockets is definitely not your own backyard.

 

[Anthropoid]

Are you suggesting that if the U.S. had simply abstained on any or all of those votes instead of vetoing them, that it would have made any real difference in how Israel plays?

Are you suggesting that it wouldn't?

Yep.

1. UN Resolutions are not famous for transforming conflicts & disputes into resolved status. In fact, can you point at any that clearly led to a resolution that lasted for five years or a decade?

2. Israelis and Israel do not see their polices as being 'discretionary.' They see them as essential to their survival.

In sum, Israel is gonna do what Israel wants to do. U.S. support is largely irrelevant. There have been various points where the U.S. has called for them to stop, or go about something differently and it has never had any more effect than the U.N. Resolutions have ever had.

Threats of sanctions or military action would probably have different outcomes, but I'm not sure the risks to the U.S. and NATO would prove worth the potential benefits. After all, Israel has a quite financially and culturally potent diaspora in the U.S. and even some left in Europe too.

 

[Anthropoid]

Well, wars start because of that dilemma. But I'd say anything you must shoot at with long rage rockets is definitely not your own backyard.

That is silly.

 

[Bromden]

You are silly.

 

[Kobrag]

Well, wars start because of that dilemma. But I'd say anything you must shoot at with long rage rockets is definitely not your own backyard.

That is silly.

Actually it's sensible.
If you have t use heavy munitions to gain access to a peice of land, it's likley not recognised as yours to begin with.

 

[Anthropoid]

Well, wars start because of that dilemma. But I'd say anything you must shoot at with long rage rockets is definitely not your own backyard.

That is silly.

Actually it's sensible.
If you have t use heavy munitions to gain access to a peice of land, it's likley not recognised as yours to begin with.

I think you are mixing metaphors.

Bromden was saying that anything you have to use rockets to hit is "not your backyard." This was said in the context of defense, not offense.

Your comment is pertaining to offense and occupation.

If a potential enemy can strike from a position, then a savvy commander is behooved to regard that position as a threat, and to formulate a defense that accounts for that position, irrespective if it is 5000 or 5km away from homeland borders.

 

[Radalan]

In sum, Israel is gonna do what Israel wants to do. U.S. support is largely irrelevant.

Nope

There have been various points where the U.S. has called for them to stop, or go about something differently and it has never had any more effect than the U.N. Resolutions have ever had.

When?

 

[Bromden]

Bromden was saying that anything you have to use rockets to hit is "not your backyard." This was said in the context of defense, not offense.

You forgot the "long range" part.

If a potential enemy can strike from a position, then a savvy commander is behooved to regard that position as a threat, and to formulate a defense that accounts for that position, irrespective if it is 5000 or 5km away from homeland borders.

Yeah, I bet the dude in his car was ready to fire any moment.

I'm not seeing "hurr durr eeeevil jubes n poor hams". I'm saying long range rocket attacks out from nothing on a non combatant target should not be called "defense."