Operation Pillar of Defense Launched

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Bertanx 说:
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I didn't done any of that stuff, nor have I ever done any of that stuff.
 
IDF Pinpoint Strike on Ahmed Jabari, Head of Hamas Military Wing:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=P6U2ZQ0EhN4
 
Whoa! Already on Youtube!? They just blasted the guy TODAY!?

Man, you gotta love modern warfare, when the stuf gets televised by the perpetrators in less than 24 hours  . . . IDF seems to really be ramping up their Psyops branch, eh?

But, what I don't get: the previous footage of the bloody cadaver on a gurney under a sheeet and bleeding profusely, does getting blown up by a precision missile not turn you into a charred husk? I'd be surprised if they'd be able to contort the body back into a supinated posture and that it would be bleeding once it had been burned into a crisp?

Its days like this that I thank my lucky stars I am NOT involved in hostilities versus the IDF. I doubt NATO combined could take them on and 'win.'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=gDohNq9BORo&feature=endscreen
 
Anthropoid 说:
I doubt NATO combined could take them on and 'win.'

If by '"not winning'" you mean a Nazi card would be played at some point.
I doubt NATO combined couldn't obliterate IDF.
 
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
I doubt NATO combined could take them on and 'win.'

If by '"not winning'" you mean a Nazi card would be played at some point.
I doubt NATO combined couldn't obliterate IDF.

Nah what I mean is: NATO _MAKE_ Israel do your bidding. Go ahead, try.

Imagine that NATO (or Russia, or China for that matter) tried to force Israel to do something Israel was absolutely opposed to doing. Even short of playing any PR 'cards' just imagine how an actual showdown between Israel and any of the "superpowers" would go down.

Wouldn't go down well for anyone. Eventually, at huge human costs on both sides, a concerted NATO effort might be able to achieve a beachhead inside of Israel (assuming Israel did not play the "Preemptive Nuclear Strike" 'card'). Then the invaders would be facing a population of very mad Jews who would (I'm guessing) be even more difficult to pacify than the mad Iraqis were after the U.S. invasion of that nation for long after the famous "Mission Accomplished" statement.

I don't know if anyone still argues things like "U.S.!? Why do you _let Israel get away this _insert breach of international law or humanitarian law_!?" That is really what I'm responding to by speculating about a NATO vs Israel scenario.

Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise. Given NATO combined still has not really achieved its mission to eliminate Islamic radicals from Afghanistan, I doubt it or anyone else would have the resolve to actually impose its will on Israel. Shame, but that is the reality.
 
Anthropoid 说:
Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise

That's because United States supports Israel. If it didn't, Israel wouldn't pull half the **** it does.
 
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise

That's because United States supports Israel. If it didn't, Israel wouldn't pull half the **** it does.

How so?
 
Think of the stereotypical little **** you had to put up with in highschool that had a 'roid riddled brother at his beck and call.
 
Anthropoid 说:
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise

That's because United States supports Israel. If it didn't, Israel wouldn't pull half the **** it does.

How so?

*COUGH* http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html
 
Anthropoid 说:
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise

That's because United States supports Israel. If it didn't, Israel wouldn't pull half the **** it does.

How so?
Without US backing, Israels interests wouldnt be (as) represented in world politics, which means that in case of conflict, they could not count on international help, but instead would have to fear international reactions for their wrong doings. While you will always find people arguing that everything Israel does is right, in the end, a vast number of international players disagree and will act accordingly. Militarily Israel would very likely succeed against any local thread, but depending on their action, they would at the least lose some control over the region (in the sense of international powers taking more control over developments) and at the very worst there would be repercussions like sanctions, which would hurt israel (imo significantly).

Overall any such situation would present more risk than gain.

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Anthropoid 说:
But, what I don't get: the previous footage of the bloody cadaver on a gurney under a sheeet and bleeding profusely, does getting blown up by a precision missile not turn you into a charred husk? I'd be surprised if they'd be able to contort the body back into a supinated posture and that it would be bleeding once it had been burned into a crisp?

The majority of damage from modern explosives comes from the high energy explosion displacing air very rapidly, causing a pressure wave, and shrapnel. You'd have to be very close to the actual explosion to be burned, and at that point, the high energy of the explosion would more or less tear you to bits anyways. Either way, the most human casualties come from shrapnel. Don't believe Hollywood explosions.
 
Tibertus 说:
Anthropoid 说:
But, what I don't get: the previous footage of the bloody cadaver on a gurney under a sheeet and bleeding profusely, does getting blown up by a precision missile not turn you into a charred husk? I'd be surprised if they'd be able to contort the body back into a supinated posture and that it would be bleeding once it had been burned into a crisp?

The majority of damage from modern explosives comes from the high energy explosion displacing air very rapidly, causing a pressure wave, and shrapnel. You'd have to be very close to the actual explosion to be burned, and at that point, the high energy of the explosion would more or less tear you to bits anyways. Either way, the most human casualties come from shrapnel. Don't believe Hollywood explosions.

So what your saying is that you want to join Hamas cuz it would be a blast.  :lol:
 
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
Radalan 说:
Anthropoid 说:
Israel does what Israel wants to do, and unless anyone is willing and able to actually step up and try to stop them, all the whining is just noise

That's because United States supports Israel. If it didn't, Israel wouldn't pull half the **** it does.

How so?

*COUGH* http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/UN/usvetoes.html

Are you suggesting that if the U.S. had simply abstained on any or all of those votes instead of vetoing them, that it would have made any real difference in how Israel plays?

Not to mention:

http://In explaining her veto, US Ambassador Susan E. Rice said the vote should not be misunderstood as support for settlement activity.

“On the contrary, we reject in the strongest terms the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlement activity,” she declared. “Continued settlement activity violates Israel’s international commitments, devastates trust between the parties, and threatens the prospects for peace…

“Every potential action must be measured against one overriding standard: will it move the parties closer to negotiations and an agreement? Unfortunately, this draft resolution risks hardening the positions of both sides. It could encourage the parties to stay out of negotiations and, if and when they did resume, to return to the Security Council whenever they reach an impasse.”

I realize she is lying through her teeth, just as those who proposed the resolution in the first place were simply going through the motions with full realization that it was a pointless endeavour.

Hardly strikes me as the sort of "support" necessary for Israel to resist a NATO invasion.

But sure, if you think you got what takes, go for it. Invade Israel with only the EU contingent of NATO!
 
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