Open Post: Armagan, We Could Use A Video Update Addressing Our Concerns

[Blood Gryphon]

Yes, as an example, mexxico is more CM than other CM(s) in the company. Because at least he is not acting like a chatbot that is saying yes, no, rejected but actually trying to explain why those features are rejected. Although, I'm fairly sure that in some cases he wasn't even allowed to say some things but since no proper official is checking the forums, I guess he is safe to say whatever he wants to say.

The worst part is mex has to burn himself out to do it as well (taking time out of his free time) and clearly does it because he is passionate about creating the best game he can.

Agreed to some, but disagreed to some as well. There is a reason why development lasted 8 years (and still ongoing actually)
Armagan is a wrecking ball. Make a plan, work on that 2 months, then if Armagan is convinced to do something else( or even improvement), you can say bye bye to that 2 months of work. Small tweaks are okay - since they don't mess up codebase. But other changes can turn codebase into big mess instantly - causing huge setbacks and testing issues. And we are seeing that mess in codebase already. No pattern, no proper architecture, hell of a dirtyhacks all over the place and so on. Plus 50% people working in the company don't give a damn about the game as well. You can't see that type of behaviour in other companies - because they have a choice. They can hire people who are excited to work on the game. Taleworlds don't have that luxury. Turkey isn't the rising star of the Gaming Industry. You can't be too picky if you need people to code something. And when devs don't care, when setbacks happen, no one is doing extra work ( or even extra thinking about edge cases or possible effects on gameplay ) and this leads lame gameplay features or bugs.

So the question is: do you want to wait another 3 years for several more features - or do you want to see it released as soon as possible and play with MP/SP mods? Well the company is choosing the second option because they don't have chips to play that gamble anymore. That's the reason why they went with EA as well. Because they got more chips to waste. Still doing the same as you can see - taking their time, chilling. Next year possibly we will see the release. It won't be `full game` in the eyes of many. But this isn't an issue for TW. Because as I mentioned, half of the team don't care anyway. And for overall, management, as long as they hit their planned numbers, it's all fine.

If true this is depressing. I fear the backlash they will get once released (seems I care more about their reputation than they do). I know I've excused the state of BL because of its EA status and expectations that they will work on it until the game is "complete". Does seem that now we are on the path for finalization.

 

[Tulag]

Strange to expect a video from founder while even the Community Manager(s)/PR Manager(s) are ignoring the player base's requests and questions.

This.
(Dejan answered many of my messages, I do not include him)

 

[AxiosXiphos]

Dejan, Mexxico and AVRC are literally on here all the time answering questions...

 

[Tulag]

Dejan, Mexxico and AVRC are literally on here all the time answering questions...

They don't have to, but they do. (Which we're grateful for)

 

[Mad Vader]

If Armagan doesn't want to make a video because of all the negative covfefe he gets on this forum, they should deepfake someone else as Armagan saying nice PR things. There's no excuse for not making some kind of video.

 

[AxiosXiphos]

They don't have to, but they do. (Which we're grateful for)

Exactly - so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...? Mexxico posted 10 times today alone - his last post was 15 minutes ago...

 

[Bloc]

Exactly - so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...? Mexxico posted 10 times alone - his last post was 15 minutes ago...

You are kidding, right?

 

[AxiosXiphos]

You are kidding, right?

No I am literally not...

You want to talk to a developer or a community manager - go ahead they are right there...

You want a video from Armagan - sure whatever. Not sure what you expect him to say which would calm everyone down though.

 

[Blood Gryphon]

Exactly - so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...? Mexxico posted 10 times today alone - his last post was 15 minutes ago...

I guess you're missing the main complaint.

We keep hearing that reasonable suggestions are rejected but with no explanation for why (other than Armagan said no, if you don't realize it there is only one "decision maker"). I don't care how he does it (video or forum post), but it would be nice for him to explain why he is rejecting these suggestions. No one knows the reason except for him since he made the decision. He likely has very reasonable reasons, but until he explains them it just seems like he hasn't listened to the reason why these suggestions are being made in the first place. We've had 9 months of silence from him.

 

[Tulag]

it would be nice for him to explain why he is rejecting these suggestions.

Lack of working force, developers. As far as I know atleast.

 

[Bloc]

No I am literally not...

That's not what I'm talking about. I thought you were kidding about "so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...?"

Dejan answers only about the things he knows. And things they tell him are quite limited. And since he is not an insider corporate spy, he is either answering very vaguely or without details, or completely ignores it and not answering.
mexxico and AVRC are developers. Developers don't have to communicate for bugs and imbalances - or at least they shouldn't because it indicates that some feedback loop is messed up big time in the company.
Furthermore, being a developer is a job. You work 9-6 and when your shift/required hours are done, you go out have some fun in your daily-non-work related life. And that's it.
Literally, the only reason why mexxico is active and replying people now is that he likes the game and he likes being in touch with the community. That's not a company policy. No one pays extra to mexxico for that. That's not something TW is doing.
That being said, Taleworlds isn't 4 people company either. There are so many questions and suggestions floating around, and no one is giving any meaningful answer or feedback. That's weird as hell. Especially for a game that was promised with more features in many promotional videos.
Also, as even mexxico himself already stated many times, he is NOT a decision-maker. So when TW rejects the feature, let's say Freelancer option, people wonder "Why?". But we have no frikking answer. And there are tons of ghost features - that were supposed to be in the game, and no one knows where they are, when they will be implemented, or will they even get implemented or not. There is a huge thread about missing stuff in Dev Blogs. Do you know where they are? Because I don't. Because TW aren't talking to us.

 

[Blood Gryphon]

Lack of working force, developers. As far as I know atleast.

False, many of these rejected suggestions would take a few days (from devs mouth themselves).

Stop making excuses for them, they can do it themselves. Which is my point. I've made too many excuses for them for the past 9 months. lol I've been called a white knight numerous times.

 

[AxiosXiphos]

That's not what I'm talking about. I thought you were kidding about "so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...?"

Dejan answers only about the things he knows. And things they tell him are quite limited. And since he is not an insider corporate spy, he is either answering very vaguely or without details, or completely ignores it and not answering.
mexxico and AVRC are developers. Developers don't have to communicate for bugs and imbalances - or at least they shouldn't because it indicates that some feedback loop is messed up big time in the company.
Furthermore, being a developer is a job. You work 9-6 and when your shift/required hours are done, you go out have some fun in your daily-non-work related life. And that's it.
Literally, the only reason why mexxico is active and replying people now is that he likes the game and he likes being in touch with the community. That's not a company policy. No one pays extra to mexxico for that. That's not something TW is doing.
That being said, Taleworlds isn't 4 people company either. There are so many questions and suggestions floating around, and no one is giving any meaningful answer or feedback. That's weird as hell. Especially for a game that was promised with more features in many promotional videos.
Also, as even mexxico himself already stated many times, he is NOT a decision-maker. So when TW rejects the feature, let's say Freelancer option, people wonder "Why?". But we have no frikking answer. And there are tons of ghost features - that were supposed to be in the game, and no one knows where they are, when they will be implemented, or will they even get implemented or not. There is a huge thread about missing stuff in Dev Blogs. Do you know where they are? Because I don't. Because TW aren't talking to us.

Well you are welcoming to your brigading (and I don't mean that as an insult; just a descriptive term) thread but I honestly think the only thing it will do is raise the heat on the forum again.

I imagine Armagans involvement has probably reduced significantly over the years as the team has built up, This isn't a 2 man band anymore.

 

[HugoTheFrenchMan]

white knight

Its just how you know somebody has nothing else to nit pick from a post

 

[Tulag]

@armagan

 

[NordicWill]

Well you are welcoming to your brigading (and I don't mean that as an insult; just a descriptive term) thread but I honestly think the only thing it will do is raise the heat on the forum again.

I imagine Armagans involvement has probably reduced significantly over the years as the team has built up, This isn't a 2 man band anymore.

So request nothing/no communication then and continue to wait?

 

[Tulag]

That's not what I'm talking about. I thought you were kidding about "so again why is everyone screaming and shouting that TW aren't talking to us...?"

Dejan answers only about the things he knows. And things they tell him are quite limited. And since he is not an insider corporate spy, he is either answering very vaguely or without details, or completely ignores it and not answering.
mexxico and AVRC are developers. Developers don't have to communicate for bugs and imbalances - or at least they shouldn't because it indicates that some feedback loop is messed up big time in the company.
Furthermore, being a developer is a job. You work 9-6 and when your shift/required hours are done, you go out have some fun in your daily-non-work related life. And that's it.
Literally, the only reason why mexxico is active and replying people now is that he likes the game and he likes being in touch with the community. That's not a company policy. No one pays extra to mexxico for that. That's not something TW is doing.
That being said, Taleworlds isn't 4 people company either. There are so many questions and suggestions floating around, and no one is giving any meaningful answer or feedback. That's weird as hell. Especially for a game that was promised with more features in many promotional videos.
Also, as even mexxico himself already stated many times, he is NOT a decision-maker. So when TW rejects the feature, let's say Freelancer option, people wonder "Why?". But we have no frikking answer. And there are tons of ghost features - that were supposed to be in the game, and no one knows where they are, when they will be implemented, or will they even get implemented or not. There is a huge thread about missing stuff in Dev Blogs. Do you know where they are? Because I don't. Because TW aren't talking to us.

Completely agree to the entire thing.

 

[Stromming]

Lack of working force, developers. As far as I know atleast.

Even if they are short on staff, that just means development time would be longer. And Callum said himself they could continue to develop the game for a few years without even needing the EA money.

=

Short on staff is not a valid reason.

 

[AxiosXiphos]

So request nothing/no communication then and continue to wait?

I'd personally recommend moving on to other things; play some other games. Play the odd drop of multiplayer here and there and just give the game another 1-2 years.

It's clearly not finished; so I'm not gonna play / treat it like it is.

 

[Stromming]

I'd personally recommend moving on to other things; play some other games. Play the odd drop of multiplayer here and there and just give the game another 1-2 years.

It's clearly not finished; so I'm not gonna play / treat it like it is.

Yeah because if there is anything that history has taught us, it's that doing nothing and just hoping people do the right thing always works out.