On Sarleon

[Baguette Eater]

Does it ave any advantages? Fierdsvain gets their crazy huskarl and zerkers (not so much crazy as much as ranged fodder, but still), D'Shar got their scorpions assassins and blademasters, Ravenstein got cavalry along with Kiersguard who are relatively well armored and I don't know much about the Empire as I was too busy counting the various objects being flinged at me.

Whats their strong point? I am getting a bunch of knights of the Lion with 3 upgardes, haven't got time to test them out but I heard they weren't fantastic either.

 

[fanthor]

never played them, but i read in the faq its mostly like pendor(without the order knights)..  cheap versatile armies

 

[Lokloklok]

As a fierd player i can tell you that in my professional opinion, that they are good at dieing. You gotta watch out for those halbrediers though.  I think they are like Pendor with cheap troops really.

 

[sher]

They are damage dealers. But vulnerable. You just need to break enemy formation, harass archers and Halberdiers + Longbowmen kill anything. Other infantry is for distraction. And their cavalry is very strong with excellent shields (size 119). They killed many of my nords. And very tough at defending castles.

 

[Shadow-Seeker]

Watch out for the halberdiers, they can be a *****, the front line men-at-arms are a little lacking, but can be replaced and are expendable, their knights are pretty decent, Lions do their jobs, not amazing jobs, but they get it done, and their longbowmen not only are pretty decent archers but can sort of handle themselves in a melee fight.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

They are without a doubt the weakest faction in the game.
They don't even have a troop tree, its just a fork!
Weak nobles, vulnerable infantry lines, no shields, poor location etc
They rely on the Nobles too much, without heavy cavalry support expect to lose a large portion of your army ever large battle you fight in! Terrible infantry deficiencies! Their troops all save Knights are expendable but heavy hitting, try to get them in melee range before they are massacred by archers.

Save yourself the trouble and don't use them, before you get access to Nobles you will be constantly getting destroyed by everything.

 

[Baguette Eater]

Well I was doing with my Sarleon troops agaisnt anything up until I fought a rebel Sarleon lord, it was a bloody butchery.

I'd like to buff them a bit, don't know what to make tho... already gave a random chance for their ranged line to get crossbows as long as longbows, I am thinking about forking the halberdier between armored halberdier and line breakers (armored sword and board).

 

[Lord Silvabane]

Don't make many of your units halberdiers, they are to hard to get and die way to easily. Men at arms are the obvious choice for infantry.

 

[bobmunger]

With their Longbowmen and Heavy Cav they kind of remind me of Middle-age England. I think their army has the best options and combinations for troops.

 

[Baguette Eater]

Don't make many of your units halberdiers, they are to hard to get and die way to easily. Men at arms are the obvious choice for infantry.

I have 2 men at arms for every halberdier.
IMO its stupid, while most other factions can afford their top tier troops (except zerkers) Sarleon can't.

 

[sher]

They are not weakest at all. They have strong cavalry, good archers (very good for their price) and infantry focused on damage with lower defence. So you'll just need to use them right. Nords have weaker archers (they are more infantry than archers), weak cavalry. D'Shar have mediocre cavalry, poor archers, and infantry focused on damage with low defence. D'Shar is weakest faction.

 

[Lokloklok]

They are not weakest at all. They have strong cavalry, good archers (very good for their price) and infantry focused on damage with lower defence. So you'll just need to use them right. Nords have weaker archers (they are more infantry than archers), weak cavalry. D'Shar have mediocre cavalry, poor archers, and infantry focused on damage with low defence. D'Shar is weakest faction.

Hate to disagree but they are the weakest, at least aginst the fierds. D'shar have a chance going up against fierds with the blademasters, sarelon get wiped out. Their lords are weak too and they are in the middle. Couple that with bad infantry and you have the weakest faction.

 

[Baguette Eater]

Yeah wonder who's the smartpants that decided all flaws should go to 1 faction 

 

[Graf Zeppelin]

Siege battles, Sarleon is all about Siege battles, they rule them.

 

[Lokloklok]

Siege battles, Sarleon is all about Siege battles, they rule them.

Except against fierds. Fierds also shine in siege battles with all the shields and shield breaking axes.

 

[Baguette Eater]

And I can't say on defence for my part, most sieges defence I took part in I simply stood at the ladder with some companions one shotting everything with a ruby runed sword and 10 ps, but I did noticed that the sharpshooters were getting some nice kills.

On assault I am just being an *******, I let my sharpshooters take out their ranged units then I just poke at them with my long knightly lance until most of the elite is dead, I finish the remains and order the infantry to attack, at that point I usually manage to avoid my troops getting bottlenecked at the ladder, and I must say I noticed a lot of melee kills, especially with the sword and board companions taking a lot of hits.

 

[Lokloklok]

I took part in a siege of sarelon and fierds very early on, the sarleon were defending and had about same number of defenders as the attacks and fierds won, albeit slightly. Fierds axes just mopped up the sarelon shields.

 

[Baguette Eater]

Their berzerkers shine there, much harder to hit than when they're wildy charing on their own on the field.

 

[Lord Silvabane]

I took part in a siege of sarelon and fierds very early on, the sarleon were defending and had about same number of defenders as the attacks and fierds won, albeit slightly. Fierds axes just mopped up the sarelon shields.

Sarleon shields? Haven't seen very many of them in a while!

 

[sher]

Hate to disagree but they are the weakest, at least aginst the fierds. D'shar have a chance going up against fierds with the blademasters, sarelon get wiped out. Their lords are weak too and they are in the middle. Couple that with bad infantry and you have the weakest faction.

I am fierd lord now and Sarleon is pain in the ass with their durable knights, hard-hitting longbowmen, fearsome halberdiers able to kill anything instantly while shielded with other infantry that prevent hitting them. They kill 8-15 nords in every round while they have archers, halberdiers and knights. Once they are scattered they are dead sure but not before. And they know how to defend castles with their large garrisons (400-500 men).

D'Shar is a joke. Their only strength is cluster of blade swinging infantry that kill scattered footmen very fast in open field. But they can be trampled with cavalry easily (unlike sarleon cluster with halberdiers in it), they can be killed by archers due to their light/medium armor and weak shields. And their long but slower sabers are good only in open field for surrounded enemies and bad in real close combat where nords rape them. Their castles are easy pickings. They kill 0-5 in their lucky rounds, no more.

Few hours ago our marshal (I resigned for wedding and other things) began campaign against D'Shar. We took back Valonbray, without any delay one castle, then without any freaking delay the other one (only weak resistance) and then without delay of course marshal invited all of us to join feast and ended campaign. As if there were no defenders at all! With Sarleon there were high casualties during sieges (2 castles  with 300 men garrisons) and high casualties during field battles. I was not able to take castle with 500 men in it because of such casualties (not only dead but many wounded) and lacking of crossbows in my army to take out those blasted logbowmen who simply destroyed poor nords.