Odin (the Viking God) was a Turk according to Prof. Sven Lagerbring

[ancalimon]

* Some consonants have two forms, one of which was used with front vowels, the other with back vowels.

Thanks for the info. Out to enjoy the sun now. You kids have fun discussing rather irrelevant stuff that very likely can never really be proven anyway. And no, I don't mean to talk down to any of you, I have been there myself so many times. So enjoy.

I'm at job idling right know have fun!

 

[ancalimon]

Are you trying to read the upper part? You can't read it because it's gibberish. It doesn't mean anything in any language of Earth That's the reason why it can't be read an any language. Only if you apply Turkic to the rune it can be read, which is shown on the downside of the picture I posted on the previous page.

The are only two things that make sense on the upper part. The first part where FUTHARK can be seen from left to right.
This is the given name of of the VIKING runes
and ODIN from right to left.

Nope, you dont know **** buddy. And are totally avoiding my arguments.

First of all, the sign of the second "k" in Turkic part, the one looks like triangle, should be backwards. And it's always pronounced as "ık" or "kı". If you wanna write "ke" you've gotta use the one looks like backwards F. And the sign of Ş is not square with a dot in it, in fact there is no sign like that in Old Turkic Script. The sign of Ş is supposed looks like Y.

Those are normal shifts.

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This is the oldest known Latin alphabet named Marsiliana tablet of Etruscan people of whom none lives as of today (after the Dark Ages of Europe and Inquisition. It's very fortunate and a big surprise this piece was left intact). People know these signs as Alpha Beta (from Greek) and the name alphabet derives from this.

But in Turkic most of these these look like tamgas. The first two are known as AT, ÖK.  For example take the ÖK rune. The ÖK rune (which was a tamga in the ancient days with other forms) which is beta here
Notice how the reversed B (beta) is a normal "B" in Latin alphabet as we use today. It changed.

 

[Allegro]

Its not normal shifts, it means wherever you're getting these from is obviously untrustuble since it's clearly twisting the evidences to make them look like something else. And "ok" tamga is downwards arrow, it looks nothing like B. Never seen a tamga for horse.


Besides, the line you're drawing is still unclear. So what if the same bunch of signs have different meanings in different languages? Not that only you dont have correct information about the Odin's forms as word in Norse language, but you are basing your claim about Odin being a Turkish invention/existed in Turkish myth simply on a hint of some small paralellity between beliefs. Turks rarely influence buddy, they mostly adopt. And Turks didnt refer to their god as "wise man", in fact they never personificated Tengri unlike most Pagans did their gods. They were spirits.

 

[ancalimon]

Its not normal shifts, it means wherever you're getting these from is obviously untrustuble since it's clearly twisting the evidences to make them look like something else. And "ok" tamga is downwards arrow, it looks nothing like B. Never seen a tamga for horse.


Besides, the line you're drawing is still unclear. So what if the same bunch of signs have different meanings in different languages? Not that only you dont have correct information about the Odin's forms as word in Norse language, but you are basing your claim about Odin being a Turkish invention/existed in Turkish myth simply on a hint of some small paralellity between beliefs. Turks rarely influence buddy, they mostly adopt. And Turks didnt refer to their god as "wise man", in fact they never personificated Tengri unlike most Pagans did their gods. They were spirits.

"Tengri teg Tengride bolmış Türk Bilge Kagan bu ödke olurtum. Sabımın tüketi eşidgil. Ulayu ini yigünüm oglanım biriki oguşum bodunum biriye Şadpıt begler yırıya tarkat buyruk begler Otuz [Tatar...]"

This is a very rough English translation of the first few sentences on Orhun Inscriptions:

Being like heaven/God, (I ), Bilge(wise/sage) the Khagan of the Turks ascended the throne at this time. Listen my words to the end! My little brother, my nephew, my sons, my family, my nation/people, Şadpıt begs of the Southern side, Tarkat(Tarkans) and buyruk begs of the Northern side, Otuz Tatars

 

[Allegro]

So? Bilge Kağan was a khan of Göktürks and in that phrase he is referring to himself as "like a god, coming from god". Old Turks believed that nobles received their nobility from Tengri.

 

[ancalimon]

So? Bilge Kağan was a khan of Göktürks and in that phrase he is referring to himself as "like a god, coming from god". Old Turks believed that nobles received their nobility from Tengri.

Yes! (but there were no nobles for Tengri. Everybody was equal in fron of Tengri)

They were the will of Tengri. According to Turks, Tengri choose someone as the leader by the voting of his people, and everything the leader did always was the will of Tengri. Tengri always did the right thing and there was no escape for anyone from his will.

Let me give an example. If Tengri wished to punish the tribe because they did something wrong, Tengri's will would make them lose a war.

Tengri reflected upon the leader thus he was Tengri himself.

Also the AT tamga loads a hollyness to an ancient Turkic word.
for example:
üre: This means "reproduce", "breed", "multiply"
if the AT tamga is put infront of the word, it would make the word:
türe: This means "to descend" or "coming to existance" or "becoming many out of one" "come to world as a fire and find life as flesh (Fire cult)
(a is dropped as a rule)

A horse and a man could not be seperated from each other. They were always seen as a single entity.

In very ancient times, if a leader was very important, he would be buried with all the slaves, treasure and many many horses that belonged to him so that on his journey to Tengri, he could leave the horses behind (as decoy (quite evil)) and the evil spirits trying to devour his soul would devour the horses instead which the leader left behind. This was a precaution to allow the leader to reach Tengri and become one with Tengri).
People were sacrificed and they would be buried with the dead leader. (quiet gruesome view I guess!!!)

 

[Léon]

Tengri reflected upon the leader thus he was Tengri himself.

Also the word AT loads a hollyness to an ancient Turkic word.
for example:
üre: This means "reproduce", "breed", "multiply"
if the AT tamga is put infront of the word, it would make the word:
türe: This means "to descend" or "coming to existance" or "becoming many out of one" "come to world as a fire and find life as flesh (Fire cult)
(a is dropped as a rule)

Explain this to us, the meaning of Odin's wolf 

 

[Allegro]

Let me give an example. If Tengri wished to punish the tribe because they did something wrong, Tengri's will would make them lose a war.

Tengri reflected upon the leader thus he was Tengri himself.

Guess why Einstein? TENGRI WAS THE ****ING GOD OF TURKS. Stop stating the obvious and make a point alerady.

Turks never personificated Tengri, the khans were glorified. Khans were never viewed as gods, they were just the chosen people.

Also the word AT loads a hollyness to an ancient Turkic word.
for example:
üre: This means "reproduce", "breed", "multiply"
if the AT tamga is put infront of the word, it would make the word:
türe: This means "to descend" or "coming to existance" or "becoming many out of one" "come to world as a fire and find life as flesh (Fire cult)
(a is dropped as a rule)

Thats ****ing bull****.
It has nothing to do with that At tamga of your's, are you referring to "at" as a syllable or as an ideogram? (seriously, why dont you show a picture of it?) And there is nothing holy in "to descend", you are speaking of imaginary things as if they were a fact. You are basing your theories on even more theories, which are bull**** overall.

 

[ares007]

As I said:

Arnold Schwarzenegger is not Turkish!!!

That is all that needs to be said

 

[ancalimon]

It has nothing to do with that At tamga of your's, are you referring to "at" as a syllable or as an ideogram? (seriously, why dont you show a picture of it?) And there is nothing holy in "to descend", you are speaking of imaginary things as if they were a fact. You are basing your theories on even more theories, which are bull**** overall.

I will not show any pictures anymore.

A soul descenting to the body of a baby is holy for me. That is türemek.

attırmak may be holier for you.

I don't care anymore as I've given enough information for the curious ones.

 

[ancalimon]

Explain this to us, the meaning of Odin's wolf 

That's Oden's pet wolf. He has taught it the command: "ATIL KURT" which may or may not mean bite that man's bum.

 

[Verbeek]

Highelf is right. Odin lives in Asgard, doesn't he? Not in istanbul..
And if i remember correctly, the varangians sailed to "Miklagard". Maybe that's where the similarities come from.

隐藏

Scandinavia civilized the Turks. 

 

[Skot the Sanguine]

ancalimon, stop posting all this Turkish propaganda.  First you said the Native Americans were possibly Turkish and now the Germanic God Odin?  Really?  You seriously think this?  Come on, think before you post.

The fact of the matter is that many European gods stem from similar Indo-European roots.  For example Zeus is the Greek version of Devas.  Tiwaz (Tyr) is the Germanic version of Devas.  However, over the centuries each got warped by the given population into their own flavor.  For this reason Zeus is not a god of war yet Tiwaz is.  What is relatively certain is that all forms were once the heads of their pantheons, though Tiwaz fell out at some unknown time in favor of Odin.

Also, genius, the Turks were still deep in Asia and knocking on the Mongol/Chinese western border by the time Woden (Odin) is well attested by Roman sources....let alone came about to the Germans themselves.

Also, I didn't google this information, I researched it in several books.  Your source, this professor, lived in the 1700's.

Hey, someone somewhere on the internets said that it wasn't the Americans who were first on the moon, it was the Turks.  Why don't you post another thread? 

 

[ancalimon]

ancalimon, stop posting all this Turkish propaganda.  First you said the Native Americans were possibly Turkish and now the Germanic God Odin?  Really?  You seriously think this?  Come on, think before you post.

The fact of the matter is that many European gods stem from similar Indo-European roots.  For example Zeus is the Greek version of Devas.  Tiwaz (Tyr) is the Germanic version of Devas.  However, over the centuries each got warped by the given population into their own flavor.  For this reason Zeus is not a god of war yet Tiwaz is.  What is relatively certain is that all forms were once the heads of their pantheons, though Tiwaz fell out at some unknown time in favor of Odin.

Also, genius, the Turks were still deep in Asia and knocking on the Mongol/Chinese western border by the time Woden (Odin) is well attested by Roman sources....let alone came about to the Germans themselves.

Also, I didn't google this information, I researched it in several books.  Your source, this professor, lived in the 1700's.

Hey, someone somewhere on the internets said that it wasn't the Americans who were first on the moon, it was the Turks.  Why don't you post another thread? 

I don't even ask you whether you read anything about Dede Korkut Hikayeleri, or Circassians regarding Greek mythology. I don't really think your education system wanted you to learn such things.
http://tr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dede_Korkut_hik%C3%A2yeleri
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dede_Korkut

Your Indo-European theory is bogus. It originated from Sir Williams Jones who went to Calcuta and started to learn Sanskrit. He probably never before saw such a rich culture and saw ASMI, ASI, ASI, ASTI inflection looked extremely! similar to Greek (eimi, ei, esi) and Latin (de sum, es, esti ) and they created a fake Indo-German family and later converted it to INDO-EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION!!!(tm) with the joining of all European countries.

If you read Mahabharata (and thus about Turks), you'd have seen the lies that are emposed on your young brains and minds which get harder and harder.
http://www.frostcloud.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6410&page=4&pp=15

I guess some idiot who wanted to conquer the world decided that this was the new weapon to conquer Earth culturally. Apperantly either the Western scholars (according to their idea, Turks started speak Turkic in 220BC?!?)  are not intelligent enough to know Esi em, esi en ,esi being Turkic, or they have a different agenda.

Later when it became apparant that this INDO-EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION!!!(tm) will be understood as bogus by other people, Georges Dumézil announced that INDO-EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION!!(tm) was bogus. Later this INDO_EUROPEAN-CIVILIZATION!!(tm) was converted to Indo-European languages and the West to this day still can't find out how they started to speak, because they keep passing anything realted to Turks, and if they find a little connection with a Turkic source, they either work so hard to convert that source into INDO-EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION!!(tm) or they connect that source to IRAN using Stalin's (!!!) anti-Turkic propagandas (because most of Russia was Turkic and Stalin's policies changed their alphabet 3 times in 10 years and deported them countless times, and commited genocies countless times just so that they forgot their Turkic identity, culture, language and religion, Just like what China does to Uighur).

The original was ESI EM, ESI EN, ESI of Turks that went to India and formed a very big friendship before Europeans knew it existed. (It came to my language as ETTIM, ETTIN, ETTI)

It has already been announced by Centre National de la Recherche Scientifique (September 2000 Bulletin, 386 - Page that the accepted Indo-European Language is a huge, embarrassing bogus.

and I advice you to keep this in mind just so you don't become more embarrassed in the future.


Why does Europe and its mentality (which is you people in general) is like this; I don't know. It may be because their language, writing and religion come from elsewhere. I don't see Europe as an inferior culture or anything like that. On the contrary I honestly think they are the light of our time, and almost every good thing that's done comes from the Europeans this day.  but why can't you people except that in the past your culture wasn't like this? Why can't you except that you are not really that superior after all?

By the way Zeus was not a god. He was probably just another Turkic leader. Probably from the OĞUZ tribe let me guess his name was As Oğuz

 

[DSparil]

You know what this thread needs? a pole claiming that Odin was created after the vikings saw a winged hussar slay a dragon with his penis.

 

[Dain Ironfoot]

Lies. Obviously the US Marine Corps were the origins of Odin.

 

[Allegro]

Yes, the whole world is trying to hide the superiority of Turkish civilization to prevent their yoghurt bacterias from taking over the world.

INDO-EUROPEAN CIVILIZATION!!!

**** yeah!

because most of Russia was Turkic

 

[Verbeek]

what indo-european civilization? 

 

[Merlkir]

This is just sad. Do you feel SO butthurt about being a Turk that you need to invent these conspiracy theories? Seriously, you're delusional. Get help.

 

[Léon]

By the way Zeus was not a god. He was probably just another Turkic leader. Probably from the OĞUZ tribe let me guess his name was As Oğuz

Zeus - Oğuz
Hera - Ayşe
Heracles - Mehmet

All of Turkish Nationalists - Moroney