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[superhit1000]

Just another quick question : How long does the barbarian period last for? Is it a limited time only thing or is it for the rest of the campaign?

P.S Thanks for answering my questions las you've been very helpful.

 

[Rawr_Calis]

Im sure Laz is secretly sick of all your questions spirit 

 

[Thornmisfor]

KEEN, we shall accept no less than a 12v12 battle.

That means we either fight at a disadvantage, or get randoms in to fill positions. I prefer to fight with only KEEN.

What is this alliance nonsense.

 

[The Adjudicator]

Just another quick question : How long does the barbarian period last for? Is it a limited time only thing or is it for the rest of the campaign?

P.S Thanks for answering my questions las you've been very helpful.

I'm aiming to keep it open indefinitely, that is until I see any problems beginning to emerge. Clans who lack territory need a mechanism to gain a foothold. It's not much to worry about though; as soon a a clan gets a hex they're a kingdom and not a barbarian clan (thus they no longer get irrefusable attacks) and you can attack them (and get your hex back). And of course if they refuse your attack, they can't attack you again (because of the 'trading blows' rules).

 

[Sushiman70]

KEEN, we shall accept no less than a 12v12 battle.

That means we either fight at a disadvantage, or get randoms in to fill positions. I prefer to fight with only KEEN.

What is this alliance nonsense.

Or get Dojo to fill your empty slots.

 

[Laszlo]

KEEN, we shall accept no less than a 12v12 battle.

That means we either fight at a disadvantage, or get randoms in to fill positions. I prefer to fight with only KEEN.

What is this alliance nonsense.

I think that kingdoms have every right to defend their territory with as large an army as they can muster.

KEEN is not at a disadvantage in a 12v12 any more than SPLH, KoS, or Dojo. Every clan has equal opportunity to recruit more members and create larger armies.

*edit* But in saying that:

Sushi, he wishes to use his own clan to fight.

According to the OP you and KEEN have the SAME manpower.

Hence it's completely reasonable for them to have solely a KEEN vs SPLH war.

I think that's an entirely reasonable statement.

 

[Doomicus]

Sushi, he wishes to use his own clan to fight.

According to the OP you and KEEN have the SAME manpower.

Hence it's completely reasonable for them to have solely a KEEN vs SPLH war.

 

[HTAPAWASO]

Just gotta be about give and take.

Since there are no rules about who gets to decide the manpower, you should make a deal.

"we'll fight this battle 12 on 12, but in exchange we get to make the next a 6 on 6" kind of thing.

Seeing as the last battle KEEN and SPL had was a 6 on 6 I think it's fair enough to ask for a larger one, but hell, it's not my fight, so do what you want.


Lots of people are taking this way too seriously... the campaign is just a way of setting up clan battles, not a life and death kind of thing.

 

[ProPaul]

the campaign is...not a life and death kind of thing.

You say that now...

 

[Rawr_Calis]

Lots of people are taking this way too seriously... the campaign is just a way of setting up clan battles, not a life and death kind of thing.

Oh Waso (your names too long btw), this is not some silly game, this is about honor and glory. The winner will have his name sung throughout the interwebs, all shall know of his triumph, fair maidens will seek to bed him and men will wish to hear tales of his valour. Sir on the battle grounds of MnB is where legends are made, its greater than life or death, its how you are to be remembered after death.... as an ass-kicker or an ass-taker. 

 

[HTAPAWASO]

Lots of people are taking this way too seriously... the campaign is just a way of setting up clan battles, not a life and death kind of thing.

Oh Waso (your names too long btw), this is not some silly game, this is about honor and glory. The winner will have his name sung throughout the interwebs, all shall know of his triumph, fair maidens will seek to bed him and men will wish to hear tales of his valour. Sir on the battle grounds of MnB is where legends are made, its greater than life or death, its how you are to be remembered after death.... as an ass-kicker or an ass-taker. 

Not debating that - everyone wants to win and that's fair enough.

Unfortunately the rules simply aren't specific enough (not having a go at Las - they're non-specific for good reason) to accomodate power-gaming.
If you're not willing to make any concessions, no battles will ever be fought and nobody will ever win.

 

[Doomicus]

Yeah you're right there WASO.

After having a 15v15 war for KEEN land just before, where they only had 5-6 of their own men, I understand why KEEN wouldn't want to fight such large battles. When they have more players yeah, but sushi saying "we'll only fight 12v12" is being too stubborn. They have the same manpower (KEEN and SPLH) so they should just have a war without Dojo and any other clan involved.

Thus far, plenty of wars have been fought, so overall it's been great for Warband in Aus/nz.

 

[Laszlo]

Maybe in the future, the campaign could be complemented by a 5v5 and a 10v10 ladder, in which you cannot use players from other clans. (Pretty much what Toad was organising, but teams must be comprised on clan mates. The 5v5 tourney could have 2-3 teams from the same clan etc.)

That way the campaign can focus on massive battles with grand strategy, alliances, and terrain conquering (in campaign battles), but if clans wanna just slug it out for points they can have a clan match.

Such a ladder would mean KoS could fight AoS and KEEN could fight Dojo without political ramifications.


*edit* just noticed the 6v6 tourney is clan-based. I thought I remembered it being 'team' based.. Oh well, let's just get cracking on that tourney.

 

[Rawr_Calis]

I agree with Lazlo, I beleive disagreements occur because people have different expectations from the campaign. For some like keen its a competitive clan ladder while for others like myself its a way to organise big battles with strategy and teamwork. For me these matches arent about being able to say hah Rawr is better than Keen or anything like that but an opportunity to have a large scale battles where people work together, talk on TS etc and be "competitive" which just isnt possible in a public match. With the largish 15v15 we had on sunday in some of the closer rounds it was really intense and fun, you just dont feel the same in a public match because rarely is it a close round cause ppl are just running around like chickens.

Larger battles are also an equaliser in that the more people there are the less individual skill matters, therefore people on the lower end of the skill spectrum would prefer big fights (i myself am on the lower end of the spectrum but that isnt my reason for liking big fights) as it gives them the opportunity to outthink and outmatch those who would usually kick thier ass.

I think a way to solve this without resorting to a different ladder is to have different player minimums for different maps, i.e open plains etc should have a 10 person min (since its pretty big) while lets say field by the river has a 5 man minimum? Castle should definitely have a 10-15 man minimum because with less numbers the defenders lose all of thier advantage while the attackers can just advance unopposed most of the time. 

Of course bigger battles can be fought if both parties agree but it means a more skilled but smaller clan i.e Keen cant just rick roll people. You could even have different minimums for individual hex's that way there will be none of this arguing as the minimums are set.

btw it may seem like i use keen for alot of my "examples" but they are the "elitist" oceanic clan and im not saying it in a bad way at all, i totally get where they're coming from as i was a competitive CoD4 player myself and had the same attitude. And im not bagging out any of the other clans, there are players out there who are just as good/better than keen players but for most clans the only skill requirement is that a player knows which end of the sword is pointy while keen has much higher standards therefore resulting a much higher "average" skill.

Sorry for ramblin on but my only wish is for battles to be organised more smoothly which means more battles resulting in more ass-kicking.

 

[RAOUL]

Maybe in the future, the campaign could be complemented by a 5v5 and a 10v10 ladder, in which you cannot use players from other clans. (Pretty much what Toad was organising, but teams must be comprised on clan mates. The 5v5 tourney could have 2-3 teams from the same clan etc.)

That way the campaign can focus on massive battles with grand strategy, alliances, and terrain conquering (in campaign battles), but if clans wanna just slug it out for points they can have a clan match.

Such a ladder would mean KoS could fight AoS and KEEN could fight Dojo without political ramifications.


*edit* just noticed the 6v6 tourney is clan-based. I thought I remembered it being 'team' based.. Oh well, let's just get cracking on that tourney.

Yeah, I guess the lack of another "ladder" is what's causing all of this commotion. 

Please enter your clan/team (I would like to see at least 10 different clans/teams in here) into the ladder in this thread: http://forums.taleworlds.com/index.php?topic=103173.msg2574200#msg2574200

I'd like to stress that if you're currently not formally in a clan, but are interested in joining this ladder, you should form some sort of clan/team with a couple of other guys, just for this.  There's a public TS server for all of your communication needs inside matches.

The ladder will be changed to a more CAL orientated point system, and will probably be increased to 8 vs 8.  There will be a few new maps introduced, too.

Glet

 

[RAOUL]

I will update the thread with new map progress too.  Two of us will be starting work on the ideas pretty soon.  If you're interested, send me a message.

 

[spree]

DOJO OFFENSIVE

Hex B3 contested.

The Dojo army gathers outside the walls of the SPLH village at B3.  Kimbo, half naked and mumbling to himself, defecates in the vineyard and proceeds to take a nap in the shade as the army sets up camp.  The terrified villagers, agast at the wild beast doing his business with the hordes on the hill behind, scurry into the village for protection.  Unfortunately one of the gate doors is left ajar...

Time: suggest either during next week or next Sunday.
Battle size: suggest 12v12

 

[Sushiman70]

Next Sunday's good.

 

[Sushiman70]

Rethinked this sunday, can KEEN make a 9v9 at 7.30PM?

 

[Rawr_Calis]

DOJO OFFENSIVE

Hex B3 contested.

The Dojo army gathers outside the walls of the SPLH village at B3.  Kimbo, half naked and mumbling to himself, defecates in the vineyard and proceeds to take a nap in the shade as the army sets up camp.  The terrified villagers, agast at the wild beast doing his business with the hordes on the hill behind, scurry into the village for protection.  Unfortunately one of the gate doors is left ajar...

Time: suggest either during next week or next Sunday.
Battle size: suggest 12v12

lol nice....

"It would also seem that workmen who had been repairing the walls left their ladders as they made haste into the villiage, granting the invading army a way over the walls!"