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Do the Falklands have a town?

What do you guys think of the Central Republic of America (all those states no one'd want if the US'd split up)?
 
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Kobrag said:
Mage246 said:
Kobrag said:
Wolfang said:
I'd love seeing a Texan independant country, and a Northwestern Country including Washington/Oregon and BC.

NOW THOSE COUNTRIES'D BE AWESOME.  :cool:
Not really.
Just  dumping grounds for intelectual refuse.
America needs to get rid of the more reactionary states if it want's to survive and be seen as a serious country.

We will, when you guys get rid of theFalklands.
Why? They are none of your buisness.

About as much our business as it is your business of which states are in the US. Also, why would you remove the space between "the" and "Falklands" when quoting? I went back to see if I made a typo, but I didn't...  :???:
 
Wel, the first reported stimulus to the economy attributed to the OWS group: http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/occupiers-killing-stimulus-funded-sod-dc

Prolly not $419,000 to fix, but hey, what's a few bucks (note: someone elses bucks) more for le revolucione?

Logically, with all the extra police protection, damage and cleanings to occupied sites, reduced tourism, impact on traffic, arrests and prosecutions for those intentionally breaking the law, and the like - it's all got to cost. Who is paying for it? The Gub'mint? Nope. I'm thinking.... ummm... the top 50% of the employed citizens.... you know, the tax paying half.... not those protesting, I'm sure.

Oh, anyone pick up reports that not only our President has given a shout out to the OWS, but also China, the US Communist Party, and the US  National Socialist Party? (Hey, isn't it the obligation of the executive to UPHOLD the law, not to encourage debasement or disobedience to the law? Musta got that confused in my first year civics class....)

And you thought Nazi's and Commies couldn't get along.  Although people do judge you by the company you keep, I hope China, the Commies and the Nazis don't take a big hit to their reputation for associating with BHO.

Contrast the OWS with the Tea Parties... Tea Parties got permisson to have their shindigs in advance, in accordance to the local laws... didn't illegally occupy or invade public or private space.... either cleaned up or paid for clean up of the areas after their thing.... nobody arrested... went home at the end of the day... back to work the next day....

Tea Party rallies: thousands
Tea Party participants: millions
Tea Party squabbles with Law Enforcement: 0
Tea Parties confronted by riot police: 0
Tea Parties dispersed by tear gas: 0
Tea Party arrests: 0
Tea Parties causing violence/injuries: 0
Tea Parties causing property damage: 0
Tea Parties responsible for the death of anybody: 0

hmmm.... maw

 
maw said:
Contrast the OWS with the Tea Parties... Tea Parties got permisson to have their shindigs in advance, in accordance to the local laws... didn't illegally occupy or invade public or private space.... either cleaned up or paid for clean up of the areas after their thing.... nobody arrested... went home at the end of the day... back to work the next day....

Tea Party rallies: thousands
Tea Party participants: millions
Tea Party squabbles with Law Enforcement: 0
Tea Parties confronted by riot police: 0
Tea Parties dispersed by tear gas: 0
Tea Party arrests: 0
Tea Parties causing violence/injuries: 0
Tea Parties causing property damage: 0
Tea Parties responsible for the death of anybody: 0

hmmm.... maw
But...but...but...RACISM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Is that not because the average Tea Party member has trouble walking and chewing gum at the same time? Hard to cause a disturbance when you're too busy trying to decide between speech and drooling :razz:
 
Ah, Arch... always the fair and balanced voice of liberalism - didn't it use to be libertarianism? I forgot... I was away for a year and a half. But personally attacking or demeaning someone who doesn't agree, even in jest, is above you. Tell us: what problem have you with the so-called tea party people?

Meanwhile, OWS in Zucotti Park, NY: http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-10-11/news/30265911_1_loan-guarantee-wind-farm-solyndra

Meanwhile, liberal Newsie writes about OWS: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/new_york_marxist_epicenter_gVrMJIKezP82E3Gkki2IvO

Meanwhile, I continue to laugh my ass off at the protesters. Guess that means I'll be one of the first up against the wall when the revolution comes. maw
 
The problem with the Tea Party is that they have some of the right ideas for the wrong cause. (eg. limiting career politics and enforcing state's rights) while the OWS movement has the wrong ideas for the right cause (punishing the overly greedy and negligent in the economy).
 
Then you're getting angry over nothing - because that is not the purpose of the Tea Party.

The Tea Party core is 1) Reduce taxes, 2) Reduce unneccessary spending and 3) Remove power of the Federal government and give it to States. Everything else ends up being local chapter opinion, and most want to seperate social issues from the running of good government. You'll have chapters that are pure secular, and those tinged with religious foundations.

Here is what I find hypocritical about the statement the Repugnicans or conservatives of Tea Partiers 'want a theocracy' - liberals also want a theocracy. A theocracy where the Federal Government is the ultimate arbitrator, the unchallenged power, the redistributer of wealth, the giver of gifts, the benevolent dictator who rights all wrongs, that lifts of the failures to success and punishes those who are viewed as succeeding off the sweat of others. The Federal Government will Save Us! It will give us Free Health Care, and Food, and Low Cost Mortgages and Cheap Gas! 

The US has part of that theocratic government, now, and it is a mess, like the economy, like the foreign affairs, like the legal system. Because everyone part of that system has a different moral standard on what is allowable and what is not. And some have no moral compunction in enriching themselves or their friends or their re-election contributers on the taxpayers dime.

I think it is because the foundations are being replaced - the constititution, and the original moral beliefs that made the naton work in one direction. You don't have to believe in God to be moral, but you have to accept solid, unchanging, unwritten rules of what is right and wrong. Laws change, society without a fixed moral anchor changes - neither can be more than a temporary standard. Rape is rape, murder is murder, stealing is theft - and the only time you need 200+ laws on any of those individual crimes is when you want to avoid individual, personal responsibility create and environment of 'Well, that's not really murder' or 'He had a bad childhood, so he can't be accountable for that'. You need a moral anchor, and always remind yourself what is right and wrong. You need a lawful anchor, and always remind yourself what the limits of a ruler are.

This OWS people want power, and are an extreme minority. Not through the lawfulelection process, but through threat and intimidation. Talk about avoiding personal responsibility. maw
 
maw said:
the benevolent dictator ...
Except the government is democratically elected.
What you say about morale fits on me, and I oppose all religion.
Reducing taxes and reducing (government) spending creates more economic inequality
and thereby increases poverty with all that comes with it: increased crime/violence/murders and increased imprisonment,
lower social mobility, increased drug use, teenage births (which is considered negative since it's a part of child well-being as monitored by UNICEF,
and child well-being is also poorer in countries with high economic inequality).*

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Spirit_Level:_Why_More_Equal_Societies_Almost_Always_Do_Better
 
Good to see that maw knows better than the angry protesters waving ridiculous signs what their grievances are.

Plus, I'd love to see Tea Partiers go block traffic on/near Wall Street the way OWS has done. See how NYPD treats them.
 
maw said:
Here is what I find hypocritical about the statement the Repugnicans or conservatives of Tea Partiers 'want a theocracy' - liberals also want a theocracy.
No they don't, they want centralism. That wasn't a religion last I checked.
And some have no moral compunction in enriching themselves or their friends or their re-election contributers on the taxpayers dime.
Whereas decentralised government will remove corruption entirely? :lol: Pretty sure you'll find more than enough incidents of the same thing in city hall, let alone state government.
you have to accept solid, unchanging, unwritten rules of what is right and wrong.
No you don't. If that were the case we'd still be arguing over the miniskirt.
 
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