Native Completed North American Native League [NANL]

[Mad_Dawg]

For the most part, I just want people to stop posting **** like this:

3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags

Don't you mean **** like this?

3 year advanced NA is still having trouble grasping the concept of equipment drops and shield stuns.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

Balion =/= Entire NA community

3 year advanced NA is still having trouble grasping the concept of equipment drops and shield stuns.

You keep assuming I'm talking about a whopping 3/4 top clans.

Also, it was mostly a reponse in kind, especially when in the very same post you say the word arrogant.

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3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Arrogance, imo

 

[Mad_Dawg]

Balion =/= Entire NA community

3 year advanced NA is still having trouble grasping the concept of equipment drops and shield stuns.

You keep assuming I'm talking about a whopping 3/4 top clans.

Also, it was mostly a reponse in kind, especially when in the very same post you say the word arrogant.

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3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Arrogance, imo

Honestly you're so far gone at this point I doubt you even know what the hell your trying to say. 

 

[RoBo_CoP]

In short:

We can make ****ty assumptions about EU, but not NA? 

 

[ClockWise]

Yes. Communist bastards.

Can't we all just get along in peace and harmony? EU has cool peeps with good ideas that work for them. NA has cool peeps with good ideas that work for them. Everybody wins. Sharing ideas is cool and helpful if done in a respectful and sometimes, if need be, tactful way. I love a few things we've brought over from the EU scene within the past year. 1000 gold, some of the new maps, blacktide failing at his role as a supporting cavalry are all great (maybe not that last one). But I don't think we need to make things a carbon copy.

Anyways, I Love you all and hope you find a sense of inner tranquility.
xoxoxoxoxo

 

[Nord Champion]

I hate to butt in on this "very important" argument, but I've got to say I'm not trying to cater any community in this tournament. All I'm doing is trying to host a tournament, and that is all. I'm not trying to change the NA Community, not trying to copy the EU Community, and I'm definitely not hosting it to cause all of this. Hell, my least concern is to affect any Community at all.

I just want to host this, have fun, make improvements, and repeat. That is all. This argument is going no where but driving this tournament to the ground, as if it wasn't already headed there due to seemingly lack of interest. Do me a favor; create a thread, PM each other, or duke it out on Steam. But please don't derail this thread any further.

 

[Wappaw_Pizza42]

Personally not interested in more 1k gold tourneys. I'd like to see a return to the CJTT format.

 

[GK_Hero]

If I may say so..June 15 seems far too soon for registration to end, unless thats been edited somewhere.... Juve's current tournament involves basically all of NA's clans and will extend beyond June 15th. I'm not speaking for all of GK...but I think if a couple of weeks were added before the deadline, we could put together two strong teams. Time flies, and I think this goes for some other clans as well.......Just a suggestion.

 

[Nord Champion]

If I may say so..June 15 seems far too soon for registration to end, unless thats been edited somewhere.... Juve's current tournament involves basically all of NA's clans and will extend beyond June 15th. I'm not speaking for all of GK...but I think if a couple of weeks were added before the deadline, we could put together two strong teams. Time flies, and I think this goes for some other clans as well.......Just a suggestion.

Good point. How is the 1st of July?

 

[GK_Hero]

^ that sounds much better

 

[Lagstro]

^ Yea, that does sound much better.

Personally not interested in more 1k gold tourneys. I'd like to see a return to the CJTT format.

Personally, I have had less fun since we've gravitated over to Euro ideals

I agree, matches in BIT weren't quite as fun or exciting as they were in CJTT or NASTe. (Or at least for me they weren't) Never have I seen camping and waiting till flags spawn as prevalent as they were in BIT and it was a pretty lame and boring way to play a match. The technique was used very rarely in past tournaments and the fact that so many teams used it in BIT leads me to believe that the implementation of 1000g and all these euro rules are the cause of it.

 

[Zaffa]

I agree, matches in BIT weren't quite as fun or exciting as they were in CJTT or NASTe. (Or at least for me they weren't) Never have I seen camping and waiting till flags spawn as prevalent as they were in BIT and it was a pretty lame and boring way to play a match. The technique was used very rarely in past tournaments and the fact that so many teams used it in BIT leads me to believe that the implementation of 1000g and all these euro rules are the cause of it.

Not sure why the hate on 1K gold. It actually helps to balance out the various factions better than 1.5k gold can.

Now do I think people may be less aggressive due to the diminished armor? Possibly.

That said, I still believe that the reason camping is so prevalent is because the maps allow people to, not because of the freaking gold count.

 

[POM_Zero]

I blame all the Europeans for the camping!

*grumpy*

 

[ClockWise]

I agree, matches in BIT weren't quite as fun or exciting as they were in CJTT or NASTe. (Or at least for me they weren't) Never have I seen camping and waiting till flags spawn as prevalent as they were in BIT and it was a pretty lame and boring way to play a match. The technique was used very rarely in past tournaments and the fact that so many teams used it in BIT leads me to believe that the implementation of 1000g and all these euro rules are the cause of it.

Not sure why the hate on 1K gold. It actually helps to balance out the various factions better than 1.5k gold can.

Now do I think people may be less aggressive due to the diminished armor? Possibly.

That said, I still believe that the reason camping is so prevalent is because the maps allow people to, not because of the freaking gold count.

agreed, zaffa.

I found 1000 to be (surprisingly to me, a person who pushed for BiT to be 1500) better than 1500. To my mind it opens up more options as fas as factions and class setups go. Is there more camping? I didn't notice it. And how, exactly, do you define camping? On some maps, like Nord Town, if you're not charging then you're camping. That's the way it's always been. Sure, you might be maneuvering and jockeying for position. But it's still camping.

 

[Kherven]

@ last 4 replies.

This argument is going no where but driving this tournament to the ground, as if it wasn't already headed there due to seemingly lack of interest. Do me a favor; create a thread, PM each other, or duke it out on Steam. But please don't derail this thread any further.

Regardless if its a good idea to talk about it in this thread or not, OP has asked us to take it to more private communications. Lets try not to immediately go back to discussing the MOTF/Gold/Camping details.

 

[ClockWise]

You and your logic. Get out of here.

 

[Lagstro]

Not sure why the hate on 1K gold. It actually helps to balance out the various factions better than 1.5k gold can.

Now do I think people may be less aggressive due to the diminished armor? Possibly.

That said, I still believe that the reason camping is so prevalent is because the maps allow people to, not because of the freaking gold count.

Faction Balance > Fun?

It must be it, people are just scared to attack because there is high chance of then dying to one hit anyway.

We've played on the exact same maps that we have played on in past tournaments, with the addition of a few new ones. (There's probably a lot but very few are even used) And camping till flag spawns has never been the main course of action.

Yes better maps that don't allow effective camping could work, but it's not the only factor.

 

[ClockWise]

1000>1500 in terms of fun, imo.

 

[Lagstro]

Coming from a member of a clan full of euro's, your opinion is not valid. 

 

[ClockWise]

But we have Blacktide as our King, the only Euro ive seen who hates 1000.