Native Completed North American Native League [NANL]

[BlackTide]

I have to say, I really do like Nubi's flag spawning mod. It forces large confrontations and adds a new focus whilst you're already engaged, you also don't have to be fearful of killing someone at the wrong time, there are also less draws in my experience. All in all, it offers a more exciting and fast paced game, the only problem would be getting dedicated servers to run the mod or finding people willing to give up their servers for the tournament like the WNL servers. I don't know where Mad Dawg has got the idea that camping until flags is an exclusively European idea, I've seen it plenty of times in American Matches and it almost sends me to sleep. That's another point, lower times means quicker and faster paced matches = I can go to bed earlier.

 

[Mad_Dawg]

Besides that, no matter what the swap is just a trade-off.  What benefits one takes from another.

Saying that doesn't mean that it's an even balance or that there's even a remotely even number of situations where both options would be of benefit. Not going naked is a trade off but that doesn't mean going naked is beneficial 50% of the time.

Going naked also isn't an equipment swap so I'd say the trade off here is relevant to non-relevant.

My big deal here is stop telling the tournament admin what the hell to do.  Who are any of us to come and give a shopping list to someone who created something with a design intent.  Arrogance, imo.

You're the only one being arrogant here.

No, I'm being frustrated...there is a difference.  Mainly with Sota, but if others want to get lumped in there that's fine I guess.

the only person telling him what to do here is you.

Actually in this entire thread there isn't a declarative statement towards Will anywhere.  You can't spin this to me if there isn't any evidence.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

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3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Arrogance, imo

Actually in this entire thread there isn't a declarative statement towards Will anywhere.  You can't spin this to me if there isn't any evidence.

Considering it's his thread, I would assume we could make a post here without putting (To William) before each statement.

negated due to the developed play style

So is running around with no helms, right? 

 

[ClockWise]

Hey, watch it robo. That's a style choice. Its the same reason I buy the best possible boots.

 

[sammac]

free agent pls cos TMW no lov me

 

[Nord Champion]

free agent pls cos TMW no lov me

Fill out the application.

 

[sammac]

In-Game Name:sammac
Steam\TaleWorld Contact:sammac
Nationality:sammac
Preferred Class(es):cav but idk
Competitive Experience:like kilos

 

[ClockWise]

sammac is gud we shood use

f dat loser hes a bad loooollo thug4lyfe

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may or not be a realistic representation of events.

 

[Mr.X]

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3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags.

You don't know what you're talking about.

Arrogance, imo

Actually in this entire thread there isn't a declarative statement towards Will anywhere.  You can't spin this to me if there isn't any evidence.

Considering it's his thread, I would assume we could make a post here without putting (To William) before each statement.

negated due to the developed play style

So is running around with no helms, right? 

Oh please. At least live in europe if your going to insult the NA community.

MrNomNom plays without boots, and every single scrim I tell him he's an idiot and to put boots on. He doesn't give a **** and plays without boots. Do I think it's stupid to not get free armor values? Yes. Does it have a massive effect on the outcome of any match ever? Nope.

And you're really not listening to his argument at all, are you? He said that playing plains 2 out of 3 maps called for archers having more than 30 arrows, which is why archers didn't carry shields in that time. Does that mean Europe was more advanced than us? WHO THE **** CARES?! Clearly you do, even though I can't fathom why it matters in any way.



Communities adapt to their environment. The species that cannot adapt or do not perform their role well enough are replaced with other species that are more fit. If 2 COMPLETELY GEOGRAPHICALLY SEPARATE communities develop species with similar ecological niches, but one does it before the other one, does that make the first one more evolutionarily advanced? No, it actually doesn't, because their environments are just DIFFERENT. They might both be rainforests, but they're different rainforests, so they're not going to lead to the exact same adaptations and speciation. In the same way, we may be playing the same game, but the competitive scene is different in both locations. Number of players, eSPORTS mindset, education of the players, age of the players, amount of tournaments, etc. So the communities should not develop in the exact same way. It would be really ****ing stupid if they did. Welcome to AP Biology.




Personally, I have not been totally impressed with Will in regards to this tournament. I was not happy that Captain Lust made 1 post about changes that have taken place in Europe, and Will seemed to just drop his rules and use everything Lust said in 5 minutes. It did not feel like he gave it proper thought, and it did not feel like the people in the tournament knew about it, or were acceptive of it. Part of that comes from the fact that I've never met him or interacted with him, probably ever. I personally have never really seen him as an active member of our community, so naturally I don't trust him to know enough to make these kinds of changes and for it all to work out. I also don't trust lust because I don't think his suggestions are based off of a knowledge of our community, as I don't see him as an active member of our community either. I had the same opinions of Zaffa as a tournament host when he started his duel tournament (I'm pretty sure I argued with him for about the first 8 pages of that thread), and I don't think that ended up working out, so I'm inclined to trust my instincts here too.

 

[Nord Champion]

Personally, I have not been totally impressed with Will in regards to this tournament. I was not happy that Captain Lust made 1 post about changes that have taken place in Europe, and Will seemed to just drop his rules and use everything Lust said in 5 minutes. It did not feel like he gave it proper thought, and it did not feel like the people in the tournament knew about it, or were acceptive of it. Part of that comes from the fact that I've never met him or interacted with him, probably ever. I personally have never really seen him as an active member of our community, so naturally I don't trust him to know enough to make these kinds of changes and for it all to work out. I also don't trust lust because I don't think his suggestions are based off of a knowledge of our community, as I don't see him as an active member of our community either. I had the same opinions of Zaffa as a tournament host when he started his duel tournament (I'm pretty sure I argued with him for about the first 8 pages of that thread), and I don't think that ended up working out, so I'm inclined to trust my instincts here too.

I changed one rule. His main concerns was to clarify more on rules, and that's it. I did clarify on the rules more (because it was a good idea), and changed the round time limit from 6 minutes to 5 minutes with flags spawning at 2 minutes to reduce draws. That's hardly changing all of the rules.

I think its funny how you don't trust me, but it doesn't matter. I've been trying my hardest to become more active in the community, along with DoF as well. Even then, I actually had Eternal clarify all of these rules before I posted them, I even had Rurin, Clockwise, and Juve as well. The revision after Lust, like I said before, was just mainly clarification of the rules. The round time was my decision, because I thought it could be a new good direction. Hell, the round time, or any of the rules for that matter, isn't even final. I'm going to test them sometime before this starts to see how teams like it.

 

[MrNomNom]

you're really going to insult me to my ****ing face x????

 

[Mr.X]

Personally, I have not been totally impressed with Will in regards to this tournament. I was not happy that Captain Lust made 1 post about changes that have taken place in Europe, and Will seemed to just drop his rules and use everything Lust said in 5 minutes. It did not feel like he gave it proper thought, and it did not feel like the people in the tournament knew about it, or were acceptive of it. Part of that comes from the fact that I've never met him or interacted with him, probably ever. I personally have never really seen him as an active member of our community, so naturally I don't trust him to know enough to make these kinds of changes and for it all to work out. I also don't trust lust because I don't think his suggestions are based off of a knowledge of our community, as I don't see him as an active member of our community either. I had the same opinions of Zaffa as a tournament host when he started his duel tournament (I'm pretty sure I argued with him for about the first 8 pages of that thread), and I don't think that ended up working out, so I'm inclined to trust my instincts here too.

I changed one rule. His main concerns was to clarify more on rules, and that's it. I did clarify on the rules more (because it was a good idea), and changed the round time limit from 6 minutes to 5 minutes with flags spawning at 2 minutes to reduce draws. That's hardly changing all of the rules.

I think its funny how you don't trust me, but it doesn't matter. I've been trying my hardest to become more active in the community, along with DoF as well. Even then, I actually had Eternal clarify all of these rules before I posted them, I even had Rurin, Clockwise, and Juve as well. The revision after Lust, like I said before, was just mainly clarification of the rules. The round time was my decision, because I thought it could be a new good direction. Hell, the round time, or any of the rules for that matter, isn't even final. I'm going to test them sometime before this starts to see how teams like it.

I mean I think it's pretty reasonable. I don't know you, so I don't trust you to make decisions for the community.

And true, you didn't change a lot of rules, but it felt like you did, and it felt like you did so without reason other than that Lust made that post. Didn't feel justified to me.

 

[Nord Champion]

I mean I think it's pretty reasonable. I don't know you, so I don't trust you to make decisions for the community.

And true, you didn't change a lot of rules, but it felt like you did, and it felt like you did so without reason other than that Lust made that post. Didn't feel justified to me.

I think I might have taken your post a little the wrong way, and I apologize for that. It's actually is reasonable, come to think of it.

I can see what you mean about the rules, but I actually thought they were good points about the clarification of the rules. The Round Time wasn't because he said it, I was actually already considering it, I changed it so that I could test it out and remove it if it goes bad, but I didn't give anyone warning, so I apologize for that.

Anyways, I hope that is cleared up.



Official end of team registration will be June 15th, 2013.
This should give plenty of time for teams to get organized and for me to test maps/rules. I no longer need admins, but thanks for all who asked. I still want teams to register, of course, so please register as soon as you can.

 

[sammac]

sammac is gud we shood use

f dat loser hes a bad loooollo thug4lyfe

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may or not be a realistic representation of events.

uni is meany
clock is great komisar heroman rolemodeler

 

[unicorn]

sammac is gud we shood use

f dat loser hes a bad loooollo thug4lyfe

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may or not be a realistic representation of events.

uni is meany
clock is great komisar heroman rolemodeler

here is what happen

rurin: k roster size has to go down 1
uni: ok **** off clock
clock: no lets take sammac off
uni: no
clock: yes

 

[sammac]

oki i get it ici who my frends r

 

[Orion]

Every single tournament the first 30 pages are unasked for wishlists from people who's opinions weren't asked.

It could just be me, but I liked having community feedback as an open discussion during my tournaments. As long as it was about the tournament, it had every right to be in the thread. I don't think I attracted a bunch of demands about what the rules should be, but even if par for the course was "6 minute rounds too long, make 4 pls," well, I could just choose to ignore those until somebody went to the effort of explaining themselves. That's what I usually do, anyway.

Of course, if Will wants people to take it to PMs then that's the respectful thing to do. It is his tournament thread, after all.

Besides that, no matter what the swap is just a trade-off.  What benefits one takes from another.

Saying that doesn't mean that it's an even balance or that there's even a remotely even number of situations where both options would be of benefit. Not going naked is a trade off but that doesn't mean going naked is beneficial 50% of the time.

Going naked also isn't an equipment swap so I'd say the trade off here is relevant to non-relevant.

Mad Dawg 1, Lust 0.

Anyway I don't care but seeing statements like this ... I feel the need to say something.

Oh, and I felt like this was rather accurate:

Communities adapt to their environment. The species that cannot adapt or do not perform their role well enough are replaced with other species that are more fit. If 2 COMPLETELY GEOGRAPHICALLY SEPARATE communities develop species with similar ecological niches, but one does it before the other one, does that make the first one more evolutionarily advanced? No, it actually doesn't, because their environments are just DIFFERENT. They might both be rainforests, but they're different rainforests, so they're not going to lead to the exact same adaptations and speciation. In the same way, we may be playing the same game, but the competitive scene is different in both locations. Number of players, eSPORTS mindset, education of the players, age of the players, amount of tournaments, etc. So the communities should not develop in the exact same way. It would be really ****ing stupid if they did.

Welcome to evolution, although biological evolution isn't precisely what we have. The fact is, we have two mostly-independent systems that are essentially isolated from each other by technological limitations. We have the free exchange of ideas between the two, but how these ideas are acted upon and how they evolve within these otherwise isolated communities is - predictably - going to differ. Just because one system reached some specific permutation of the metagame before the other does not mean it is superior, it means the variables of its environment necessitated the change first. That, in turn, also does not signify superiority. It means ideas are being handled differently by isolated groups.

One example somebody brought up was dropping shields for archers. That's silly. I can recall Balion teams doing that exact thing since my first tournament, and I bet they were doing it before to some extent. I also know from personal experience that we've been spreading throwing weapons around since beta, so the notion of gear swapping isn't something we're just coming to terms with. It just hasn't had a significant place in the overall metagame for North Americans until recently, when dropping shields for archers became more commonplace. Other things took priority in the past.

I need to stay out of this part of the forums. I generate way too many walls of text here.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

I can recall Balion teams...

Balion =/= Entire NA community

 

[Gelden]

Robo just go move to euroland already.

I think X hit the nail on the head for me with science,

I think it's important to look at the Euro scene since their community is larger and there seems to be more going on, but for christ sakes can we let the NA scene do their own thing?

For the most part, I have fun with our tournaments, and so do 8 or 9 other clans, which is why we're all still around.  Personally, I have had less fun since we've gravitated over to Euro ideals, and I could probably name 20 people from memory, from the community who feel the same, but I'm still hopeful and riding 'er to see what happens.

The point is, can we stop saying "well this works in euroland, so we should use it here" and maybe we can be more like "i'm going to help develop my own community".  Again, I'm not saying we shouldn't look towards Europe for influence, but maybe we should look at it less and develop our own ideas. 

There has been some serious european epeen stroking in our community lately.  Nothing against them, but I'd rather us develop on our own.  What's fun for us is not what's fun for them, and vice versa.

 

[RoBo_CoP]

For the most part, I just want people to stop posting **** like this:

3 year advanced EU strats is procamp till flags