North Africa, Middle East and Minor Asia

[kuauik]

If you're referring to the Mamluks, you have to remember that the majority of the nobles in the Mamluk sultanate would not be Arab but rather Steppe Turks and others who in birth were outside of the Islamic world before conversion via the slave-warrior system. If there's Hafsid/Marinid nobles with mongol faces then that's a mistake.

Baghdad was pretty much wiped out a few years prior to the game's date by the Ilkhanate.

but the Mamluks are not bearing christian symbols,maybe he is reffering to factions menu flags that was mixed up at one point

 

[Sahran]

Yeah, I just meant for why the faces of the Mamluk nobles might not look Arab

 

[othr]

Take a screenshot of this flag so that I can see what it is you're talking about please.

 

[Umar Abd al Azeez]

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The Hafsid Dynasti have a Christ Symbol too

I dont say that the Mamluks was Arabs, but they dont have Mongol Face.

 

[kuauik]

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The Hafsid Dynasti have a Christ Symbol too

I dont say that the Mamluks was Arabs, but they dont have Mongol Face.

this was mixed in old version due some banners removal,in next version your muslims will be ok,dont worry

 

[Umar Abd al Azeez]

i hope

when the new version will released?

 

[kuauik]

i hope

when the new version will released?

when its ready,but soon

 

[othr]

It would be nice to have it ready by Christmas but I don't think that's going to happen

 

[Sahran]

Othr when should I get back on the wagon for equipping? I was going to wait until Al-mansur and Kuauik finished their stuff and had it worked into 1257.

 

[Cuthalion]

I just found a few manuscript illustrations of islamic/middle eastern/that-sort-of-thing clothing and armour on my USB stick. So for those making the textures... I left the description underneath it so you have a rough idea about time and region. Sorry if they were posted beforehand; I know that David Nicolle's Osprey books rely on some of them. Basically these are meant as ideas for colours and designs; one plate has also a quite good collection of arms and armour.

Oh, and as a personal wish, please no big rough stitchings, over-sized chain mail or modern belt buckles.

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These are typical Turkish felt hats/helmets according to Dr Nicolle IIRC:

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[Al_Mansur]

That is wonderful

Sahran, what do you think about that:

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This guy is from a Moroccan manuscript made in 1224. His bascinet would be great for some heavy North African units, and we can make several versions of it (one with mail coif, one without anything like in the picture, one with a turban, etc.).

 

[Sahran]

I assume he's wearing some sort of kazaghand? And I think we have a bascinet like that already, the Mamluk one with a coif so it might be easy to edit that around.

And one thing Cuthalion's stuff illustrates is the preponderance of the double breasted dress the Turks made famous. I've read a claim that 'all' warriors wore it but I find that dubious. So the unarmored one Kuauik I think promised to do can be used by the Turkomans and lots of the various Near Eastern infantry types and so on, while the version with a mail coat beneath it can be used by the "Senior Turkomans" as well as lots of other troops.

 

[othr]

I'm not sure what he's wearing but he looks very, very sneaky!

 

[Cuthalion]

Kazaghands should definitely be included and thanks to them being just an object with a texture in MBW, we won't have the mess of interpreting what it was made of. According to Usama b. Munqidh's description (in Arabic!) he had two mail shirts and each ('ala kulli zaradiyyatin IIRC, I don't have it here right now) covered with four different fabrics or fur. I asked an Egyptian friend to have a closer look at it in order to see if this can be understood much more reasonably (like e.g. the Saracen Faris Opsrey interpretation of David Nicolle, where you find a gambeson-like padding and a few covering fabrics; the outer one in a very cool...pink).

Whoever the texture artist will be, he/she can also look for Kufi fonts like these and display the words الفرس والسيف in the sample field. This, with proper calligraphy, can be used for those sleeve bands with words.... and it means Mount & Blade.

 

[Sahran]

We've got a fair number of kazaghands already, so that won't be an issue. We just needed the historical references to justify their presence in the Maghreb, which we now know they did from Al-mansur's picture. And your references we can see what the common dress of civilian and soldier in the Near East would be like, which we'll depict with Kuauik's wide sleeved kaftans and his unmailed double breasted coats when they are done

 

[Cuthalion]

I assume he's wearing some sort of kazaghand?

We've got a fair number of kazaghands already, [...] We just needed the historical references to justify their presence in the Maghreb, which we now know they did from Al-mansur's picture.

I haven't translated the words yet (huwa l-multahib 'ala ma yari fi l-kurra, he is furious about what ... in the ball???) but I highly doubt that this guy wears anything specific, left aside something as special as a kazaghand. I guess there won't be any harm in including Maghribi kazaghands, but I'd like to know what this manuscript is about. I suppose medicine or some other stuff where this man is merely a dummy to explain things or some sort of array.

 

[molashkre]

christians in anatolia should be represented with Lazs:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laz_people

 

[Cuthalion]

I just stumbled across an old favourite page (or what are these called in English?) of IE that I had found last year: http://antiferus.net/clothing/index.htm

This is one of the few American sites with medieval sources and no mention of the SCA.

 

[Dogukan]

christians in anatolia should be represented with Lazs:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laz_people

yaay I'm a Laz!!! 

But I'd rather see Armenians and Greeks as priority...and thats how it is.

 

[Cèsar de Quart]

christians in anatolia should be represented with Lazs:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laz_people

yaay I'm a Laz!!! 

But I'd rather see Armenians and Greeks as priority...and thats how it is.

Yes, sadly enough there's no way to represent this kind of local ethnies.