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guspav

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Magic:
Magic is affected by two skills: magic power and magic defense as it may sound, magic power is used for calculating spell damage and penetration while magic defense is used for magical defense, a wise player will always invest some points in the latter, since magical damage is worse when defense equals 0

The effectiveness of spells is also affected by clothes, almost every type of body armor and helmets hinders it, excepting mage robes, hats and hoods (from novice to archmage) and the elven mail shirt; more advanced types of mage armor even provide a bonus to magical damage. Mage staves also provide a bonus to the magic power score, making it a must for the successful mage.

Mages will need a spell book and will learn spells through buying scrolls and wrtiting them into their spell books (via the camp menu). All spells will require different skill levels to learn.
Once in battle, Mages can open their spell books and choose known spells (access the spell book by pressing the "b" key, close the book by pressing the "v" key). The chosen spell will be automatically equipped and it's ammo, if appropriate, will be calculated using the mage's remaining spell points. So to speak, ammo limits are dynamic.
Mage's spell points will be represented by a blue bar. the higher the magic power skill, the higher the amount of spell points the mage can have and the faster they will regenerate.

Sneak attacks
The stealth trained warrior will do extra damage to his/her foes when attacking him from behind, on foot and using a specific list of weapons which goes as follows:
- elven warblade
- drow combat dagger
- knife 
- sickle
- club
- short swords
- gwilith
- strange short sword
- drow stealth sword
- drow assassin's sword
- elven short swords
- dagger
- darts
- war darts
- throwing knives
- ambush bow
- drow crossbow
- drow throwing daggers
- dagger of throwing
- throwing daggers

Also, the drow assassin clothes and hood and the elven ambush armor and hood will provide a small sneak attack bonus.

There are now some troops which are stealth specialists; a good battle tactic is making a separate group for them, halting them at the beginning of a battle and then make them flank the enemy to maximize their sneak attacks and deadliness, also since most carry light armor it wouldn't be very wise to use them in frontal assaults.

Necromancy
necromancy is the series of rituals and skills used to create undead troops. Currently it is accessed via the camp menu. A high amount of hitpoints is required for the ritual, which will be lost.
Maintaining control of the undead during battles is not for the faint hearted, since every once in a while a check will be run to determine if your necromancy is high enough to keep your troops from turning against you. Said check is directly influenced by the necromancy skill score and whether you have a Necromancer's Staff  or not.
The necromancy skill will also raise a few of your fallen enemies after a battle, the higher your skill, the more undead you will raise. Undead gotten this way will only be of the lowest tiers so they're mostly cannon fodder.

Cleric Powers
Clerics are a certain kind of new troops who can use faith skill based spells. Faith based spells just like mage spells will consume faith points once used (represented by the white bar), again the higher the faith, the more points the cleric will get.
Spells can be chosen via a prayer book in combat by opening the prayer book pressing the "n" key and closing it by pressing the "v" key.
Currently there are only 2 cleric spells: heal and flame strike.
Heal will recover the player's hit points and that of surrounding friendly troops. The radius and power will be dependent on the cleric's faith skill.
Flame strike will create a column of fire on a single enemy in a 20 meter radius, the damage it causes will depend directly on the faith skill score.
NPC clerics will use timed scripts to produce similar results.
Turn undead is another cleric power, but it doesn't consume faith points, it is, however limited by a cool down time of 2 minutes. The higher the faith skill, the more powerful the turn/destroy undead attempt will be.

NPC dark clerics (drows, mummies, orcs) will use a different version of turn undead that instead of making the undead run away, will make them run amok and attack everything near them, if the turn undead roll is higher, the affected undead will be controlled by the dark cleric and be part of his/her team during the current battle.


Entertain:
This new skill is quite useful and adds a little extra to players.
The skill so far is only useful for when you are in towns. If you have a musical instrument in your inventory and at least one skill point invested in the entertain skill, you'll be able to play/perform at any town.
Performances are classified in two kinds:
Play a song: this will cause the player to start playing for an audience. The level of skill will allow different kinds of performances, from simple to virtuoso. The more advanced the level of performance, the harder it will be, but the greater the rewards the player will get. Playing music will earn some profit depending on the success rate, it will vary from a disaster to an exceptional performance. Positive performances will earn the would-be-bard some money, some renown and a boost to his/her party's morale; on the other hand, bad performances will bring him/her some renown and party morale loss.
An exceptionally good performance will attract a party of groupies who will follow the player party around and even help him/her in combat.
Perform a speech: A speech will be more political in nature. It can be from inspiring to irritating to the audience.
Speeches will depend on both the perform and the speech skill scores. Positive speeches will earn the orator renown and perhaps even some right to rule points. A poor speech will anger the audience and will mean a loss in renown.
A very poor speech will anger the towns people and will cause a mob to try and lynch the player, that is an enemy party will spawn near the player party and follow and possibly attack it.

 

MasterChaosis

Sergeant
Assasin_Nietsmmar
Creativity works only with Berembert - new companion - gnome, who will invent some good weapons/armor (in future, now he only have one project - Gnomish Repeating Crossbow). Maybe creativity skill will have wider usage in future, now it is not worth to invest in that skill in main character, or any other excluding Berembert, only if You want to have this Crossbow  :wink:
 

habeo123

Sergeant Knight
How will NPC mages perform their magic? It seemed very random to me, with 2 companions at 10 mg atk and they do random spells each battle.
 

CalvinG

Regular
So armor on the feet and hands does not interfere with magic?  Also, only the necromancer's staff states it enhances magic.  Do the other staves enhance magic by the same amount but it's just not in the description?
 

LazySteve

Sergeant at Arms
CalvinG said:
So armor on the feet and hands does not interfere with magic?  Also, only the necromancer's staff states it enhances magic.  Do the other staves enhance magic by the same amount but it's just not in the description?
No, armor on feet and hands doesn't interfere with magic... and Yes, all staves enhance magic but by different amounts, the tier system of staves/robes/hats that enhance magic was posted somewhere but from what I remember Archmage is the best and then Master follows up, necromancer's staff is almost as effective as archmage but it also reduces undead retaliation chances.
 

ThaneWulfgharn

Master Knight
Sorry, about Necromancy, I find it is perform-able everywhere, regardless where there are corpses or not...

Quite unrealistic...

I think you should add the feature to raise the dead either at graveyards, either after battles. City graveyards either produce stronger undead than village graves. And maybe culture-based undeads i.e:
Skeletons->Village graveyards of any culture
Ghosts->Elf,Dark Elf,Dwarf,Orc, Nord and Khergit City Graveyareds
Mummies->Sarranid City Graveyareds
Vampires->Vaegir City Graveyareds
Zombies->Swadian and Rhodok City Graveyareds
 

guspav

Section Moderator
WBM&B
LazySteve said:
CalvinG said:
So armor on the feet and hands does not interfere with magic?  Also, only the necromancer's staff states it enhances magic.  Do the other staves enhance magic by the same amount but it's just not in the description?
No, armor on feet and hands doesn't interfere with magic... and Yes, all staves enhance magic but by different amounts, the tier system of staves/robes/hats that enhance magic was posted somewhere but from what I remember Archmage is the best and then Master follows up, necromancer's staff is almost as effective as archmage but it also reduces undead retaliation chances.
All mage staffs enhance magic. The necromancer staff is comparable to the master staff on the bonus it provides.
The increasing order of magic bonus provided by staffs is: gnarled staff, journeyman staff, adept staff = shaman staff, expert staff, necromancer staff = master staff, archmage staff.

ThaneWulfgharn said:
Sorry, about Necromancy, I find it is perform-able everywhere, regardless where there are corpses or not...

Quite unrealistic...

I think you should add the feature to raise the dead either at graveyards, either after battles. City graveyards either produce stronger undead than village graves. And maybe culture-based undeads i.e:
Skeletons->Village graveyards of any culture
Ghosts->Elf,Dark Elf,Dwarf,Orc, Nord and Khergit City Graveyareds
Mummies->Sarranid City Graveyareds
Vampires->Vaegir City Graveyareds
Zombies->Swadian and Rhodok City Graveyareds

Necromancy will be tweaked at some point, but for the time being, undead can be summoned out of thin air.
A semi-reason for it being like that is that Calradia is full of battlefields so corpses should be readily available everywhere :razz:
 

CalvinG

Regular
Sorry for so many questions but to enhance magic does the staff have to just be in one of the 4 slots or does it have to be the active weapon?
 

Notsure

Sergeant Knight at Arms
Its an interesting idea about necromancy it reminds me of conquest of elysium a bit where it was only possible to cast certain spells to either summon troops or turn into a vampire / lich, it would certainly add some goals for a necromancer to control certain parts of the map. Would that be technicly possible in warband to turn a character into something else ? or your companions ( mine complain too much and undeads barely complain )

By the way the staff can be in any slot ( although i recommend the first ) and even if you switch it will take effect.
 

ThaneWulfgharn

Master Knight
Actually, necromancy is, on my opinion, a little overpowered as a skill. Everyone I've seen on these forums becomes a necromancer and raises hordes of undead. All these undeads upgrade into heavily-armored guys.

I think there should be a list of classes each with its own speciality:
Knight->No idea, maybe you can find something here:http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Chivalric_Knight_%283.5e_Class%29
Cleric->Clerical Spellbookhttp://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Cleric_Spell_List
Paladin->Paladin Spellbookhttp://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:razz:aladin
Wizard->Wizard Spellbook www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Sorcerer/Wizard_Spell_List
Warlock->Warlock Spellbook http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Warlock_%28D20_Modern_Advanced_Class%29
Artificer->Crafts different items
Necromancer->Necromancy + a mix of Wizard and Warlock Spellbook
Death Knight->Death Blow(In combat, Sacrifices 45 HP to deal a one-killing blow to the enemy)
Guardian->Something that enhances armor/defense....
Runemage->Runic Spellbook
Berserker->Berserker Stance(During battle regenerates health overtime and gets bonus of +15 agility, +30 strength and +10 Power Strike, but after battle hero has only 1 Hit point left and in every case, can't use berserk for 1-4 game weeks, you choose)


Idea of different "Spellbooks" actually means a set of spells. On my opinion, there should be only one spellbook accessible with "B" and what makes the difference are the spells in it. However, some spells should be universal, for all Magic classes like:
-Fire Arrow(Only Wizards and Warlocks have Eldritch Arrow instead)
-Regenerate(self)
-Stone Skin(self)
 

habeo123

Sergeant Knight
Is it normal to get killed by cleric's heal, because it's nonsensical. I played a Paladin yesterday and was using heal right next to an enemy with low health. That dude got killed instantly.
 

Kelthin

Sergeant
WBNW
You probably used the second spell (forgot the name...havn't really messed with clerics yet xD) but it does damage enemies, while heal just heals your teamates
 

Notsure

Sergeant Knight at Arms
The only ways a summoned troop from necromancy can level is if you edit the troops. Normally they are mostly fodder to deter your fief from being sieged. I do agree though that necromancy shouldn't be accessible to just any class but then again the troops are just meat shields and barely effect combat unless edited.

The cleric heal is a known bug if im not mistaken it shouldnt be too far in page in the bug tread.
 

LazySteve

Sergeant at Arms
ThaneWulfgharn said:
Actually, necromancy is, on my opinion, a little overpowered as a skill. Everyone I've seen on these forums becomes a necromancer and raises hordes of undead. All these undeads upgrade into heavily-armored guys.

I think there should be a list of classes each with its own speciality:
Knight->No idea, maybe you can find something here:http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Chivalric_Knight_%283.5e_Class%29
Cleric->Clerical Spellbookhttp://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Cleric_Spell_List
Paladin->Paladin Spellbookhttp://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:razz:aladin
Wizard->Wizard Spellbook www.dandwiki.com/wiki/SRD:Sorcerer/Wizard_Spell_List
Warlock->Warlock Spellbook http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Warlock_%28D20_Modern_Advanced_Class%29
Artificer->Crafts different items
Necromancer->Necromancy + a mix of Wizard and Warlock Spellbook
Death Knight->Death Blow(In combat, Sacrifices 45 HP to deal a one-killing blow to the enemy)
Guardian->Something that enhances armor/defense....
Runemage->Runic Spellbook
Berserker->Berserker Stance(During battle regenerates health overtime and gets bonus of +15 agility, +30 strength and +10 Power Strike, but after battle hero has only 1 Hit point left and in every case, can't use berserk for 1-4 game weeks, you choose)


Idea of different "Spellbooks" actually means a set of spells. On my opinion, there should be only one spellbook accessible with "B" and what makes the difference are the spells in it. However, some spells should be universal, for all Magic classes like:
-Fire Arrow(Only Wizards and Warlocks have Eldritch Arrow instead)
-Regenerate(self)
-Stone Skin(self)
They are upgrade-able because YOU changed the code, at most times, like Nosture said, they are just fodder that clogs up your party space, try fighting any lord (of the regular factions aswell) with just 250 zombies/skeletons, they will just get trampled in seconds.
Secondly, making such a complicated class system might be easy on paper but it's actually a very hard, complicated process, so you can't expect guspav to just start a process like that based on 1 person's comment
(P.s. the DeathBlow sounds useless, when was ever a battle decided by you killing a single guy? (and almost killing yourself in the process))

habeo123 said:
Is it normal to get killed by cleric's heal, because it's nonsensical. I played a Paladin yesterday and was using heal right next to an enemy with low health. That dude got killed instantly.
It's a known bug, sometimes when you use heal, a flamestrike procs, guspav already knows about it.
EDIT: guspav already fixed it in the newest version
 

MasterChaosis

Sergeant
Create as many class restrictions would only kill gameplay and fun :wink:


Edit: in new version Faith bar disappeared and I can't use Flame Strike and Heal ability (Paladin, 7 Faith skill level) :sad:
 

LazySteve

Sergeant at Arms
MasterChaosis said:
Create as many class restrictions would only kill gameplay and fun :wink:


Edit: in new version Faith bar disappeared and I can't use Flame Strike and Heal ability (Paladin, 7 Faith skill level) :sad:
Did you start a new game or kept playing an existing one?
 
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