Military history of the Mali Empire - Wikipedia
Supposedly the Mali, although a bit later than many factions in the game, did have blacksmithing and likely had some armors and respectable weapons. I'm no expert tho.
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Supposedly the Mali, although a bit later than many factions in the game, did have blacksmithing and likely had some armors and respectable weapons. I'm no expert tho.
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I'm ok with that. As I've said before, Battanians and Sturgians are already half fantasy. The Battanians especially. Iron Age Celts in the 10th Century, and that's ok. 7-8th Century Axum, Mali or Benin in the 10th Century, is that such a stretch?
How different was the military technology when it comes to personal armour between the 7th and the 11th Centuries. Well, not that different as it turns out.
There were some differences, and I'm sure you don't need the Weta team to design West and East African armour that looks convincingly 10th Century.
I just don't get why there's such a reaction to an African faction. It would be new, exciting and different. Is it square "NOT 11th CENTURY!" mentality?
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A Berber/Moors styled Faction would be interesting.
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Who were the Moors?
If the term seems familiar from art and literature—but still confusing—there’s a good reason.
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Spain - Muslim Rule, Reconquista, Culture
Spain - Spain - Muslim Rule, Reconquista, Culture: In the second half of the 7th century ce (1st century ah), Byzantine strongholds in North Africa gave way before the Arab advance. Carthage fell in 698. In 705 al-Walīd I, the sixth caliph of the Umayyad dynasty, the first great Muslim dynasty...
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Muslim conquest of Spain - Wikipedia
A Berber/Moors styled Faction would be interesting.
Who were the Moors?
If the term seems familiar from art and literature—but still confusing—there’s a good reason.
Spain - Muslim Rule, Reconquista, Culture
Spain - Spain - Muslim Rule, Reconquista, Culture: In the second half of the 7th century ce (1st century ah), Byzantine strongholds in North Africa gave way before the Arab advance. Carthage fell in 698. In 705 al-Walīd I, the sixth caliph of the Umayyad dynasty, the first great Muslim dynasty...www.britannica.com
Muslim conquest of Spain - Wikipedia
Wouldn't that be too similar to the Aserai though?
Asarai are a more Persian faction.
Depends on how it's done.
If you do to much cloth you get to much of a Asarai/Persian feel but if you do the right mix of Cloth/Mail/Plate like the Vlandians with the more Nasal helmets you get a more unique feel especially since
The Moors/Berbers could be considered a more Euro/Africa Faction. Horses could have any number of Armours none/Mail Over or Under cloth etc etc
They used Mail and plates much like their Spanish/Euro counterparts and could field troops equal and dressed like the Men of Arms and Knights of European Armies but also still used the light cavalry of the Arab armies and the Mounted Bowmen.
And ofc Camel Mounted Cavalry.
You'd see Troops in Mail/Cloth/Padded Gambesons/Plate Over Cloth/Cuirasases etc
Their Archers also add something... the shield(A Smaller shield) and bow combo you'd see used in the future by the Crimean Khanate in the East. You'd see this with troops that used thrown weapons as well.
You also Had Moorish/Berber troops using War Bow Types.
More Spear with Sword infantry as well.
They usually went lighter Cloth over Mail/Mail over Cloth most of the times with a Oval Shield or a Larger Wicker Shield.
Troops used Heater Shields/Adgara/Wicker/Oval and Steel Circular
Couple pictures
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I was talking more western southern coastline that didn't have much going on.
Earth Dragon
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Aren’t the Sturgians and Battaians too similar? Or the Vlandians and the Empire?
The Berbers and the Arabs had two distinct styles, but of course, coming from desert areas, had many similarities required for the area. But when you look at any battle where they served together, there was always a clear distinction drawn between these two troops and cultures by their opponents.
The game does exaggerate some of their differences however. This is why, historically, the “horse archer horde” faction in the historical setting of this timeline was the Turks, yet their armor looks more eastern then what it probably would have just to give more emphasis on them being different. Otherwise the Khuzaits might look way too much like the Aserai as well, and we’d be complaining about the lack of an “Asian” presence, since “brown Asian” apparently doesn’t count.
Essentially, it’s due to them being viewed via the European eye usually that they all get blurred together, while individual European states will draw much pride in highlighting where they differentiate from others
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Precisely.
Which would not be a problem as long as it was done with care.
Look at this example of a XVth Century Centurion:
Looks Roman, but also looks appropriately XVth Century. The pteruges, the segmented pauldrons and the medalions give it the Roman flair, while all the rest is very much XVth Century plate.
I don't see why we could not have the same with the not-Ethiopians or not-Benin, or even for the Battanians, to have some more flair to them.
Earth Dragon
Sergeant
I mean, I would rather they cover more historically based rivalries before we push too far into fantasy. THAT seems like something modders should be doing.Which would not be a problem as long as it was done with care.
Look at this example of a XVth Century Centurion:
Looks Roman, but also looks appropriately XVth Century. The pteruges, the segmented pauldrons and the medalions give it the Roman flair, while all the rest is very much XVth Century plate.
I don't see why we could not have the same with the not-Ethiopians or not-Benin, or even for the Battanians, to have some more flair to them.
Berbers running roughshod over Iberia until they got stood up by the Franks is a major historical event, and those are the rivalries I’d rather see spotlight on if we’re trying to make a great base game
I don't disagree, but there is room for something more as well.
Boscogn
Recruit
That's so true.
