Nearly a year in, Does TW acknowledge the anniversary with an update for when EA will be done?

[Berzerker Jay]

What in his last post did he say that offended or was even directed at you? You asked an open question, he answered it, then you proceeded to insult and belittle his modding contributions... Whether you enjoyed his work or not, surely asking a question "What do modders think about X" and being answered by an actual modder... why are you mad about this

For my part the "mod optimism" that mods will fix the game and there will be tons of AAA quality total conversions, usually are more likely to come the less a person was invovled/surrounded by the mod community. If you look at the criticisms of both the SP and MP boards on this forum, we start to see there is some core dissatisfaction with BL that wasn't there in Warband. I'm sure there will be mods for BL, I'm sure there will be big overhauls, good work, sure... Is PoP 2 or similar coming for Bannerlord? In my opinion, BL as a base game is a lot less attractive as a foundation for large mods than Warband. I expect most "big" mods will just be Bannerlord reskinned as Middle Earth or Game of Thrones or whatever else. The barrier for entry is higher, and despite some nice modern coding language abilities, it seems like the modability is actually restricted in BL compared to WB. But if Bannerlord does not incite the passions in creators the way Warband did, it doesn't matter anyways.

The guy has repeatedly insulted me, always engages me to dismiss and derail, and I have asked him more times than I can count to not engage me. He does not have to make another insult for me to not wish to engage him, or for me to refuse his attempts at engaging me. I don't care if he has an opinion on what I say, because if I engage him in good faith I expect only further disrespect.

Literally, the last exchange he and I had before this one was a long and overly detailed ad hominem rant about me including calling me an ******* and such. Just because he attempts to engage me again -- refusing to acknowledge I've asked he leave me alone, making this basic harassment -- does not mean I am going to repeat the mistake of thinking he and I should have a respectful discussion.

Full stop. I don't want to talk to the guy, and have made this clear for weeks. At this point I have nothing else to say to him aside from reminding him of my boundaries, as many times as it takes for the guy to stop. Of course, he probably delights in getting people to join him in his harassment, so this likely isn't over. It should be over, though, but I guess harassment is allowed on this forum.

Just the fact alone that his engaging me results in so much drama being stirred up guarantees I have no positive response for him. He can guarantee that I will tell him to leave me alone with every further attempt he makes at not leaving me alone.

Rule 1.1 of this forum should be sufficient to deal with this issue altogether:

"1.1 Trolling, Flaming, and Harassment
This is an open, friendly community, that is the central point for those seeking information or assistance for our games. We will not tolerate any forms of flaming, trolling, or harassment. This includes, but is not limited to, deliberately trying to provoke an argument (flame-baiting), personal insults, and verbal attacks. If you disagree with what someone has said, debate the point, not the person. Harassment of other users will not be tolerated either; this relates to PM-harassment or harassment by constantly insulting users across multiple threads, in-game, other platforms, or by making disparaging comments that have no content relevant to the topic/discussion."

Or I suppose he can continue debating me as a person, insulting me, and I'll just continue to be criticized for repeating myself to him that I do not have any interest in his opinion or in conversing with him about anything. Maybe the mods will look at how he's engaging me, and who is actively engaging who, and the entire little drama can just go away.

 

[Ruthven]

I love him too

 

[Kentucky 『 ＨＥＩＧＵＩ 』 James]

Even uni lecturers didnt read this much into stuff I wrote.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

I love him too

lol...I definitely have no love lost for him. That's for sure.

But to be absolutely clear, I am really sick of all the derailment and don't want to participate in it myself. Rule 1.1 makes clear we shouldn't be debating the person, so I'm going to leave it at that and start reporting the comments violating the rules since moderators are addressing me as the problem here....

Back to the topic.

 

[eddiemccandless]

@Berzerker Jay you have been picking fights with everyone since I saw you posting. I suggest that you take a break and come back with a cooler head, this place doesn't seem to agree with you.

 

[Cordor]

@Berzerker Jay You know you can cease being a drama **** and just block him right

 

[Berzerker Jay]

@Berzerker Jay you have been picking fights with everyone since I saw you posting. I suggest that you take a break and come back with a cooler head, this place doesn't seem to agree with you.

Yes, and here's one of the three other major people harassing me who ignores when other forum users express that they would like to be left alone.

Sure enough, a clear violating of Rule 1.1 of the forum, too -- now will it be enforced? I don't know that I'm the problem for "picking fights" with those debating me as a person, in violation of the rules.

Reporting, and leave me alone.

 

[eddiemccandless]

Lmao. I talked to you like.. Twice? Alright you do you I guess, I don't think it will go the way you expect it go but whatever floats your boat.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

1.1 Trolling, Flaming, and Harassment
This is an open, friendly community, that is the central point for those seeking information or assistance for our games. We will not tolerate any forms of flaming, trolling, or harassment. This includes, but is not limited to, deliberately trying to provoke an argument (flame-baiting), personal insults, and verbal attacks. If you disagree with what someone has said, debate the point, not the person. Harassment of other users will not be tolerated either; this relates to PM-harassment or harassment by constantly insulting users across multiple threads, in-game, other platforms, or by making disparaging comments that have no content relevant to the topic/discussion.

 

[froggyluv]

In other news - people you need to check out @Ruthven Explorer mod for Warband -its revolutionary. Hope you continue id love to see it as a standalone game

 

[Razeo]

In other news - people you need to check out @Ruthven Explorer mod for Warband -its revolutionary. Hope you continue id love to see it as a standalone game

Never played Warband but this mod alone could make me purchase the game. Here's hoping a mod out there will eventually do this to Bannerlord.

 

[Berzerker Jay]

Never played Warband but this mod alone could make me purchase the game.

Highly recommend it, even with Bannerlord available. The multiplayer is quite a bit of fun, and last I played there was still a good playerbase. The vanilla game is fairly limited compared to Bannerlord and I have a hard time getting into it now, but there are a lot of mods available. Viking Conquest is a pretty interesting one, and I'd say it feels a lot less limited.

 

[CaNpoG]

By What Metric is bannerlord a 'failure'?

Steam reviews?
Critical Reviews?
Sales?
Player count?

On average bannerlord has twice as many player as Warband had through it's height (apart from a couple of short peaks due to free weekends). Was warband a failure?

I get you are unhappy with the game; but by any typical standard Bannerlord is a success. Maybe it is not as good as it should be - but you can only call Bannerlord a failure in your own opinion. No statistics correlate this. (and certainly not when compared to cyberpunk).

By all accounts Bannerlord has performed very well - now we just need to reinforce the fact that the success needs to drive them to improve the game.

The wheel was invented in 3500 B.C. If those same people can't make basic carts with them a thousand years later, I wouldn't call it an accomplishment if they manage to still sell those wheels.
In Bannerlord they've made some progress from Warband, mainly with engine and graphics, but a sh**ton of steps back in many aspects of the game.
How many people play MP in Bannerlord? Now, how many play MP to this very day in Warband, which was released in 2010?
It's kinda pointless to talk of a game in terms of "how much money it makes". You make a shooter game with ultrarealistic AAA-level graphics but dogs**t gameplay. It will still probably make more money than a medieval game with solid gameplay.
What people should be talking about while talking "success" is that whether the game is dogs**t or not. Especially if it doesn't manage to even climb to the level of its predecessor which was released roughly 10+ years prior (Bannerlord is rumored to be released very late this year or early next if I recall correctly). Then add to the mix the big increase in staff size.
I'd say it's misleading to call a game with a dead multiplayer and a huge amount of negative feedback a success, even if the devs have managed to cash grab optimistic Warband vets at launch of EA.

 

[Piconi]

Derailing the thread.
Spam.
Disrespecting others' opinions.
Uncivilized manner of communication.
Personal attacks/insults.

We don't want any more of these, or we could risk making warning points go like

 

[AxiosXiphos]

The wheel was invented in 3500 B.C. If those same people can't make basic carts with them a thousand years later, I wouldn't call it an accomplishment if they manage to still sell those wheels.
In Bannerlord they've made some progress from Warband, mainly with engine and graphics, but a sh**ton of steps back in many aspects of the game.
How many people play MP in Bannerlord? Now, how many play MP to this very day in Warband, which was released in 2010?
It's kinda pointless to talk of a game in terms of "how much money it makes". You make a shooter game with ultrarealistic AAA-level graphics but dogs**t gameplay. It will still probably make more money than a medieval game with solid gameplay.
What people should be talking about while talking "success" is that whether the game is dogs**t or not. Especially if it doesn't manage to even climb to the level of its predecessor which was released roughly 10+ years prior (Bannerlord is rumored to be released very late this year or early next if I recall correctly). Then add to the mix the big increase in staff size.
I'd say it's misleading to call a game with a dead multiplayer and a huge amount of negative feedback a success, even if the devs have managed to cash grab optimistic Warband vets at launch of EA.

The game also has significantly more positive feedback though.

Steam reviews. Critic reviews. Facebook, reddit, streamer channels, discord etc etc.

You have to remember this forum is both one of the smallest groups and by far the most negative. Bannerlord has not currently impressed warbands most diehard fans: but you would be wrong to think it has had a poor reception globally.

Simply type Bannerlord review into google and see a very different story.

Now that's not to day the game is faultless or perfect- as I say it hasn't achieved what it's most loyal fans want yet. But the game sold well, has 9/10 reviews on most critics sites. Very positive reviews on steam and a healthy player base that places it on steams top played game charts.

Saying Bannerlord is a failure in any conventional or measureable sense is just factually wrong. You can say it's a disappointment. That it doesn't live up to expectations - hell i would agree with that. But unless you can find me any actual metric we can measure this is a fruitless discussion; it's not worth the arguement.

In summary: Give me statistics we can discuss or let's just leave it. It's a pretty pointless arguement anyway.

 

[Julio-Claudian]

The game also has significantly more positive feedback though.

Steam reviews. Critic reviews. Facebook, reddit, streamer channels, discord etc etc.

You have to remember this forum is both one of the smallest groups and by far the most negative. Bannerlord has not currently impressed warbands most diehard fans: but you would be wrong to think it has had a poor reception globally.

Simply type Bannerlord review into google and see a very different story.

Now that's not to day the game is faultless or perfect- as I say it hasn't achieved what it's most loyal fans want yet. But the game sold well, has 9/10 reviews on most critics sites. Very positive reviews on steam and a healthy player base that places it on steams top played game charts.

Saying Bannerlord is a failure in any conventional or measureable sense is just factually wrong. You can say it's a disappointment. That it doesn't live up to expectations - hell i would agree with that. But unless you can find me any actual metric we can measure this is a fruitless discussion; it's not worth the arguement.

In summary: Give me statistics we can discuss or let's just leave it. It's a pretty pointless arguement anyway.

Not saying the game is a failure or good reviews are meaningless but Bannerlord was the first time I played M&B, If I'd left a review in spring/summer last year it would have been a 10/10 and I wouldn't have gone back to change it since I'm still excited by the game and want it to do well. My problems with it don't stem from a nostalgia for Warband or its mods. I don't play that many games and M&B has become my new favourite since Total War stopped being interesting. I imagine a lot of the people who have stopped playing Bannerlord since it came out are similar to me but just play a wider variety of games and aren't on the forum.

 

[AxiosXiphos]

Not saying the game is a failure or good reviews are meaningless but Bannerlord was the first time I played M&B, If I'd left a review in spring/summer last year it would have been a 10/10 and I wouldn't have gone back to change it since I'm still excited by the game and want it to do well. My problems with it don't stem from a nostalgia for Warband or its mods. I don't play that many games and M&B has become my new favourite since Total War stopped being interesting. I imagine a lot of the people who have stopped playing Bannerlord since it came out are similar to me but just play a wider variety of games and aren't on the forum.

I certainly wouldn't say Bannerlord is everything it was hyped to be. Personally that is because it just isn't finished; maybe I forgive things too much for being on the EA tab - but right now it's a beta as far as I'm concerned. Though it's worth mentioning that Bannerlords steam review rating has actually gone up since EA launch. Meaning percentage wise there are more positive ratings now then there was at launch.

Is it where it deserves to be as Warband long awaited Sequel? No. But I think it's a pretty tall order to suggest it's not been a commercial and critical success.

It just seems silly to me to call it a 'failure'; when by any measurable value it has performed well.

I thought Mass Effect 2 was very disappointing personally. It significantly simplified the RPG content and became more of an rpg-lite action shooter. I'd be insane to suggest it was a failure though.

 

[Senko]

Bannerlord has been a financial success for sure. They made millions with the hypetrain before release.
I wouldn't call it a critical success just yet though, we are still in EA and most reviews on steam for example are still from launch March 2020.
Recent reviews on steam have gone down a bit in rating 83% positive compared to 87% positive overall reviews.

 

[Mad Vader]

I thought Mass Effect 2 was very disappointing personally. It significantly simplified the RPG content and became more of an rpg-lite action shooter. I'd be insane to suggest it was a failure though.

Wut? ME2 streamlined the skills to a minimum (a brave and elegant design choice imo, eliminating all fluff), right to the other extreme of the ME1 bloated skill point fest. The RPG content, as in decisions and interactions with characters was actually strengthened and the combat and companion AI much improved. The end mission companion deaths depended on the many decisions you took during the game, and on how well you knew your companions to assign them proper roles at the end. The whole game was a RPG companion fest, not CoD: The Boning Of Miranda.
It was the best game in the series by player consensus, and if you think it was a failure for some reason, you probably need to reevaluate it.

 

[PGtips2012]

It seems to be symptomatic of these forums specifically. The majority of Bannerlord players aren't on these forums, they're on Reddit and Youtube and other places - where there is a lot more optimism about the game and the future than this forum shows.

Sometimes I come here and scan the threads and just facepalm over and over.

The penny will drop for the wider audience when this game leaves early access and it still feels incomplete and inferior compared to warband